alright so goddamn, i love this game. and there's one specific element of its story that i think makes it so intriguing when compared to both Echo and Arches (both of which are excellent). the POV switching between characters lends such intrigue to the relationships they have with each other and allows for the player to have a more in-depth idea of their thought-process, which is absolutely major in a more character-driven game such as this. and the increased amount of small choices during these sections are also a great addition. also: smayers my beloved <3
To be honest, I don't think Sam's religious views make any sense. If Sam believes that God is cruel and is constantly afraid of punishment because of what he has done, then he should be afraid of committing other sins just as much because God will punish him because he is cruel. At the same time, he criticizes Saint Paul saying that one must radically cut oneself off from sin and the submission of the flesh, saying that the teaching of Jesus said something different. Suggesting here that someone can sin from time to time and that's okay. But this has nothing to do with the cruelty of God. If God allows sin, and Jesus somehow implied it, then that is against harsh judgment and cruelty.
The whole shed scene in the latest update is also weird to me. Sam's views make sense for this scene, but they seem detached from other moments where Sam is terrified of God's judgment. I think the whole polemic with Saint Paul was written for this one thread, but in isolation from the whole story.
Of course, I know it's still just furry visual novel, but I like being consistent in how the characters are written. This is important, especially in a thread that is likely to be relevant in Will's route (I think). I'm still enjoying the game, but I'm starting to notice some turns that I don't like.
It is possible that I misunderstood Sam's message due to the difficult words and my language barrier, but I tried to understand this passage correctly.
From Sam's perspective, he essentially thinks God is alien and impossible to understand despite trying his best to understand him, and he thinks many from the bible do not understand what he really is. (Of course, he doesn't want to think that or explore that because he's afraid to be accidentally sacrilegious--though he absoultely does, and it's one of his intrusive thoughts.)
This is part of why his faith and belief is very shaky despite his best efforts and obsession with reading the bible.
He believes God is likely wrathful and uncaring, and believes it is possible for himself to be already damned in spite of his best efforts-- though he is trying to admit that he doesn't really know the truth, and that those who claim to know the truth are untrustworthy.
He struggles against constant uncertainty, and is most devout in moments of panic (when he's begging for mercy to a force that seems almighty, eternal, and intangible).
Sam would most likely be Gnostic if he knew what gnositicism was, but he's not book smart.
This makes a lot of sense. People (human, anthropomorphic animal, or other) have cognitive dissonance, which often takes a lot of time (and sometimes therapy) to recognize and resolve. It's why we see others often behave in contradicting manners, sometimes even when religion is concerned.
I always interpreted Sam's behavior as a sign of this, given his belief in a wrathful God and belief in the possibility of redemption. These two ideas seemingly contradict one another and result in Sam's elevated levels of emotional distress, as seen through his anger, guilt and anxiety. Until he enters into a psychological state of congruence (which he most likely won't due to all the uncertainties regarding God in general), these emotions and behavioral contradictions will persist. Of course, Sam doesn't view it this way. He views all of his difficulties and the resulting emotions through the lens of Sin and Virtue, which is a form of all-or-nothing thinking. He is trapped within the rigidity of his own beliefs.
I know that c l i f f is probably next but I'm just wondering how much longer before William will admit his feelings for our dear Samuel LOL because I know he wants to tell him
I suppose you're one of those people that believe they will never have a proper kissing scene as well I understand your perspective 100% because I see that as well but Samuel needs to know I feel
but there's a kiss scene... you just might not have gotten it due to your in-game decisions. And yes, I believe there will be other scenes like that. I only commented that way because I can't imagine william talking about his feelings, it doesn't seem like his type. He seems to be the type to go out there and do it.
N o w I just have to wait for the Android update whatever that may be uploaded it's easier for me to read on tablet most of the time LOL I'm excited to see what happens with William so much LOL
You know I love it when people comment on my comments stating that William should be coming soon and I foolishly believe it but I guess that makes things interesting you know I'm still hoping against hope that William will eventually admit to Samuel his true feelings and give him a proper kiss on the lips but I know that's just wishful thinking probably sorry I just had vent and give my own opinions sorry
Probably a silly question but I'm confused - folks in the comments keep discussing routes/character updates I'm not sure where to find. I've reached the end of the latest update but seem to be missing stuff unless I'm misunderstanding...
O h. Wait. After a bit more reading I think I figured it out. I'm on Android and if I'm reading correctly, the Android updates are quite behind all the others. Okay. Maybe I just have to download it on my laptop!
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How many builds will there be
YASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh my god...
Slayyyy
ahem
william
Agree
is it finished yet ? i want play it so bad.. should i play it rn or waiting for the game released full ?
sadly its not finished yet. it still has a looong way ahead to be finished so its up to you if you want to play it rn or not.
Play it right now. It still has a pretty sizeable gameplay
George said that Murdoch's route has reached the midpoint with the latest Patreon build, if that helps
minor spoilers, so be warned!!
alright so goddamn, i love this game. and there's one specific element of its story that i think makes it so intriguing when compared to both Echo and Arches (both of which are excellent). the POV switching between characters lends such intrigue to the relationships they have with each other and allows for the player to have a more in-depth idea of their thought-process, which is absolutely major in a more character-driven game such as this. and the increased amount of small choices during these sections are also a great addition. also: smayers my beloved <3
Where do I report text typos?
Echo Project never fail me for doing a amazing Story Game, thank you Echo Project for sharing these amazing games
Thanks again, george!
Loved the update!
(Spoilers)👇
The part when sam is dragged actually spooked me lmao, keep up with the nice job
AYOOO NEW UPDATE
Doesn't the public build release a month after the patreon build? Was there some sort of delay, they forgot, or am I missing something here?
I'm wondering that too. I heard Arches is being released for public this week, but not tsr :(
Hullo! I was taking a break for the holidays. Update should be up today~
-George
Nice, at least there wasn't a problem. Can't wait to play :)
Oh thats fine. I'm glade you took some time off.
I've got a question lol. Why that .exe icon?
True, but you can actually replace it with a custom one.
They did that for Echo, I guess they haven't gotton around to it yet for tsr.
mmm interesting
Oh I didn't know it
Wasn't there a Christmas Special to this game?
Yes, you can find it here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/seasons-from-60308549
Why i can't update the game :(
when is build 23 gonna be public 😭😭😭😭 im fiending broo
I'm waiting for it too. And the new one for Arches also.
I'm not gonna lie, Felipe, Paul, and Dimitri have the best dynamic. I'm kinda jealous.
Echo operates on multiverse anyway so good endings are possible regardless of what endings we end up with.
Can I stream it? looks amazing xoxo
I can't wait for the full game to be finished. I should touch some grass because i'm addicted to this
Little spoilers
To be honest, I don't think Sam's religious views make any sense. If Sam believes that God is cruel and is constantly afraid of punishment because of what he has done, then he should be afraid of committing other sins just as much because God will punish him because he is cruel. At the same time, he criticizes Saint Paul saying that one must radically cut oneself off from sin and the submission of the flesh, saying that the teaching of Jesus said something different. Suggesting here that someone can sin from time to time and that's okay. But this has nothing to do with the cruelty of God. If God allows sin, and Jesus somehow implied it, then that is against harsh judgment and cruelty.
The whole shed scene in the latest update is also weird to me. Sam's views make sense for this scene, but they seem detached from other moments where Sam is terrified of God's judgment. I think the whole polemic with Saint Paul was written for this one thread, but in isolation from the whole story.
Of course, I know it's still just furry visual novel, but I like being consistent in how the characters are written. This is important, especially in a thread that is likely to be relevant in Will's route (I think). I'm still enjoying the game, but I'm starting to notice some turns that I don't like.
It is possible that I misunderstood Sam's message due to the difficult words and my language barrier, but I tried to understand this passage correctly.
From Sam's perspective, he essentially thinks God is alien and impossible to understand despite trying his best to understand him, and he thinks many from the bible do not understand what he really is. (Of course, he doesn't want to think that or explore that because he's afraid to be accidentally sacrilegious--though he absoultely does, and it's one of his intrusive thoughts.)
This is part of why his faith and belief is very shaky despite his best efforts and obsession with reading the bible.
He believes God is likely wrathful and uncaring, and believes it is possible for himself to be already damned in spite of his best efforts-- though he is trying to admit that he doesn't really know the truth, and that those who claim to know the truth are untrustworthy.
He struggles against constant uncertainty, and is most devout in moments of panic (when he's begging for mercy to a force that seems almighty, eternal, and intangible).
Sam would most likely be Gnostic if he knew what gnositicism was, but he's not book smart.
-George
This makes a lot of sense. People (human, anthropomorphic animal, or other) have cognitive dissonance, which often takes a lot of time (and sometimes therapy) to recognize and resolve. It's why we see others often behave in contradicting manners, sometimes even when religion is concerned.
I always interpreted Sam's behavior as a sign of this, given his belief in a wrathful God and belief in the possibility of redemption. These two ideas seemingly contradict one another and result in Sam's elevated levels of emotional distress, as seen through his anger, guilt and anxiety. Until he enters into a psychological state of congruence (which he most likely won't due to all the uncertainties regarding God in general), these emotions and behavioral contradictions will persist. Of course, Sam doesn't view it this way. He views all of his difficulties and the resulting emotions through the lens of Sin and Virtue, which is a form of all-or-nothing thinking. He is trapped within the rigidity of his own beliefs.
This turned out to be a lengthier response than I intended, but I do personally relate to Sam a lot and that is why I love him as a character. I didn't grow up going to Mass regularly, but I somehow still managed to have The Catholic Guilt© for many years. Even to this day, I have a bit of a guilty conscience. I see a lot of my old self in Sam and that's why I love his perspective.
i thought william was best looking till i saw kane.
I know that c l i f f is probably next but I'm just wondering how much longer before William will admit his feelings for our dear Samuel LOL because I know he wants to tell him
I don't think he's going to tell, he's just going to demonstrate in actions, which he's already started to do. pay attention to the smallest details
I suppose you're one of those people that believe they will never have a proper kissing scene as well I understand your perspective 100% because I see that as well but Samuel needs to know I feel
but there's a kiss scene... you just might not have gotten it due to your in-game decisions. And yes, I believe there will be other scenes like that. I only commented that way because I can't imagine william talking about his feelings, it doesn't seem like his type. He seems to be the type to go out there and do it.
(1).apk 🗿
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When will the new android update release?
Esperando a atualização na versão Android
How do i skip ahead to the part im actually at every time there's an update? I'm using the itch.io app
Oh gosh! William's note book by the end of this update, those doodles and that music... x3
That's what I'm saying...
Why're they so intricate!?
N o w I just have to wait for the Android update whatever that may be uploaded it's easier for me to read on tablet most of the time LOL I'm excited to see what happens with William so much LOL
Spoiler Alert:
The spider we first see in Nik's route? ITS LEGS ARE MADE OF THE LEGS OF CREATURES!! 😱😱😱
Already know that :D
I didn't. 😅
You know I love it when people comment on my comments stating that William should be coming soon and I foolishly believe it but I guess that makes things interesting you know I'm still hoping against hope that William will eventually admit to Samuel his true feelings and give him a proper kiss on the lips but I know that's just wishful thinking probably sorry I just had vent and give my own opinions sorry
Waaaahh 😭😭😭💔💔😭😭😭💔💔🙏😭😭🍷🤌🍷 (i love William)
Probably a silly question but I'm confused - folks in the comments keep discussing routes/character updates I'm not sure where to find. I've reached the end of the latest update but seem to be missing stuff unless I'm misunderstanding...
O h. Wait. After a bit more reading I think I figured it out. I'm on Android and if I'm reading correctly, the Android updates are quite behind all the others. Okay. Maybe I just have to download it on my laptop!
i need nik update
The plot is very attractive, and Nik is so cute! I love Nik and look forward to his next chapter🤗
How much longer till the William update becomes public to me she still has the worst cliffhanger
Probably mid-October
It should be around this week.