after finishing the Flynn route I kind of want a Sydney route. No, I do not know exactly what I mean except for the fact that I want more of the adult!Sydney character.
Hi! I'm new to this game and I've read that there are multiple routes that are linked to the understanding of the story, but separated as there are totally different endings. I was wandering if there is an actual more suitable sequence of route to take that fits better the approach to the story, hopefully made by the author himself. I'd appreciate a user comment too with his/her suggestions on which route order to follow WITHOUT SPOILERS. I'm ok not knowing why i should do one route before another one.
Unfortunately I started with TJ and then followed the sequence. I guess I robbed myself of the reveal about Sydney's death. I think the author should put a little footnote in the description of the game, about the most optimal way to play.
I think that it’s most important to follow your interests. Each route has a major reveal that makes the routes replayable so that you can see the hints. That being said, I went Carl, Flynn, Tj, Leo, Jenna.
Can someone explain who and/or what is the red monster in this VN!?
Is the monster that hit the car and the one in the mine, the same as the red monster (are they all the same monster or different monsters)?
I've played all routes multiple times and i have some theory's but I'd like some confirmation. Like i think flynn is the red monster because of his ending. And the red monster can bend space-time to some extant.
Its hard to tell. I think the one in the mine is the same, its described differently because when they made that scene, they didn't have artwork for it yet.
There are other monsters in Echo, but the red sockface appears the most. And yes Flynn is the monster.
there is one last question i forgot to put there; Was chase, samuel or the hum (while controlling chase's body) that killed sydney? Like, the time he killed Flynn there was a moment where he wasnt in control anymore. Was that samuel or the hum making him lose it in Tj's route. That conversation in the bathroom is what makes me question it.
thanks for the confirmation btw. This has been in my mind for some time now. I wanted to go into Arches without any doughts, so its nice to get all those questions out of the way. Thanks again
It appeared to me to be a combination of Chase hating Sydney and being influenced by the entity he spoke to in the mirror I believe it influenced him to kill Sydney in the same way it did Flynn
The red monster is Flynn. Specifically Flynn from his route. The idea is that basically at the end of Flynn's route he became one with the Tide, which is basically the pattern in how the hysteria works. Tide rolls in when some kind of murder happens, rolls out when the hysteria is over. Notice how Flynn at the end of his route is showing up at specifically negative moments in character's past. He was in Jennas closet when hiding from her abusive father etc. Basically, the monster shows up when any sort of negative action occurs. Its a problem specific to the town for some presently unexplained reason, but there are theories. The monster isnt bending space time, space time is bending him. Every time the tide rolls out a piece of him is taken, not just mentally. Thats why the monster looks like beef jerky, he's being taken apart peice by peice until he is nothing, one with the tide. The monster in all routes is flynn from his route as the tide covers all routes simultaneously. To summarize, Flynn turns into the monster and then is dragged into other routes throughout different periods of time.
wow thanks, thats a really good explanation but what about the bleeding monster from the road and the heart monster from the mine? Are they pieces of flynn; other people like Flynn; or just monsters?
How many endings are there in all? I’ve played through everyone’s route once and wanna experience everything this vn has to offer, but I’m not sure who’s routes have a second ending and who’s doesn’t, if someone knows I would greatly appreciate it!! <3
Hey so, my problem is the opposite - I can't seem to get her bad ending somehow... Which choices do I need to make to get there? Because honestly I've gone through as many as I can think of and all I've gotten is the good ending.
Is there a canon ending to this story? And will there be a echo 2: electric bugaloo? I know about smoke room, but seeing this VN (that i love and waited for each update like a leo wanting to get in chase's pants) end makes me sad and only hope/wonder if there will be any sequel.
Crazy because I didn't even know until I was skipping through get back where I was in TJs section and accidentally mis clicked the home button. Nice piece of hidden content
Sever times in the story you see chase texting someone and he hold up his phone, if you click on the home button through the diologue box you get access to the dating app he was using.
I still can't believe Echo is done! I haven't been following it that long, I discovered it at the end of 2020.
Anyway after playing all the routes and following the Jenna route updates until the end, I thought it was the best ending. But it still leaves with a lot of questions.
Spoiler questions!
Do they all keep in contact?
Do Leo and Chase stay friends?
Do Leo and Micha become a couple?
Will Jenna be less judgmental of people now?
Can TJ recover or is he traumatized for life?
Also do Carl and Flynn stay together?
I hope at least a couple things are mentioned in Arches.
Just finished Jenna's route, the last route I needed to play through... can't tell if I had the good ending or the bad... but what an experience none the less.... got to say most of the horror in this VN didn't really phase me too badly (still chilling, but manageable.)
**SPOILERS BELOW!**
but when what I'm dubbing: "Hum-Chase" walked onto the screen, not appearing but actually animated walking with unnatural movement. I genuinely felt disturbed! I shivered, goose bumps on my arms and the hair stood up on my arms and neck... I didn't want to turn around to turn the light on. (thank god for virtual assistants!)
Anyways:
So Jenna was the only one to stay behind, I assume that's the bad ending?
**END OF SPOILERS!**
This has been amazing and I can't wait to see more (than what I already have) in Arches!
So I just finished my first route (Leo's), and I was wondering if the other routes are important if I want to play the other games. Of course I'm still gonna get back to the other routes anyways, but I wasn't sure if there's still any crucial information I'll miss if I go on to play TSR (I'm not planning on playing Route 65 until I get to the other routes)
This visual novel was the most powerful, disturbing and depressing art experience I've ever seen. You guys raised the level with such unique story, art and music.
I completed all routes and ended with TJ's... I am still under the shock of what happened. Woke up at night thinking of it, even had tears in my eyes in the morning (which has not happened to me in years).
I still struggle to figure out how you managed to create such a realistic, yet nightmarish world. While I assume there are lynchian references, I would be very curious to know the other potential influences if there are any!
Thank you again for this masterpiece, I rarely saw such intensity in today's shows. I don't consider myself to be a furry but it will haunt me for long and I'm looking forward to see your next projects.
I'll be doing a typo fix update, including an animated Echo Project logo, and overhauling the Jenna Route animation to run more smoothly on older android phones for the next update.
Jenna's good ending was amazing, I love how everyone got along near the end, and how Micha unexpectedly fit in kind of! poor Flynn, I can guess what he was going to hear when he left, but that diner and the group's atmosphere was so blessed, the group was together without much quarrel for once! and Leo's little smile near the end was a perfect touch
Jenna's bad ending felt weird and short at some points , if chase said he was bi, I expected that he might at least be allowed to be there with her when she tampered with the dam, nevertheless, what the entity said by the end was satisfying "i suppose you won't be coming back", Jenna actually buried the unsolvable puzzle, she actually defeated echo in some manner! but by giving it too many sacrifices while doing so, and most likely her future as well, if she survived or found a way around the flood to manage and leave , she would most likely be arrested for life.
Evil Jenna was an unexpected, pleasant surprise nevertheless, seeing someone so collected, cool-headed and the most rational person in the group going chaotic like that, I dunno, I enjoyed that concept for some reason, not to mention how Flynn's shakey behavior after what he did proved parts of his personality so well, he has become even more of a favorite in my book.
Remember Jenna's route ends BEFORE they get the news of all the shit that happened in Echo. So, it's stil turning into a ghost town and Leo will move out eventually.
The point of the bad ending was to show that Jenna isn't too different from the people she criticizes. What better way to show that than to have her do what Heather would have done? There's hints here and there to her selfishness and lack of self-awareness and her overall derisive attitude towards others. It's not surprising what happens when you provide her with enough excuses to head down that path. Micha and Leo are honest enough to call her out on her her bs while Chase is a bit of a simp so you won't that impression from his internal monologues...
so it's a good thing it's actually up to Sam to set her straight
Every choice you make is implied to have been done by Sam since he is possessing Chase. The ending scene shows that Sam has lost all influence over Chase.
Jenna's route good ending was probably the best out of all of the others (that's not saying much since the others have pretty horrifying and sad endings) , and I feel like Mc and Howly (the writers, god bless them) did an amazing job with everything and really ended Echo on a weirdly hopeful note.
Btw the final choice where Chase became indecisive, signifying that Samuel is gone was wonderful
My headcanon will remain like this: Jenna's route, pick no one when she asks who else from the group you'd rather be with (the game doesn't force you to choose someone). At the ending, Jenna admits her BS and Leo opens up:
"Chase, I was a complete idiot and have done some very stupid shit these past days. I also had an unhealthy obsession with you, to the point of creating that thing we saw. I am flawed and have a lot to work through but I also know without a doubt that I love you more than anything. I wish for us to be together for the rest of our lives.
Chase thinks back of the events we saw during Leo's bad ending. Memories that are real and genuine. His first kiss with Leo, "introducing" him to his family and all the feelings he had during those moments.
Leo- I want to know if you feel the same, Chase. You don't have to answer right now. We can tal...
Chase- Yes.
Leo- ...
Chase- I love you too, Leo. I should have never let my hate for that town to cloud this feeling. You are not the only one flawed. We both have to work through some shit but I want us to try. I want to spend my life with you.
On the Echo discord channel, Leo is hated for going insane and killing two people, but it seems that Jenna is admired for going insane and destroying the whole town and killing dozens! Some people keep posted how she shows great girl power and girlboss for doing it!
Well, I say Jenna is the worst character and in both endings should have been somehow stuck in echo while the rest get out.
I agree mostly. Jenna does get quite a bit more favoritism in her route, but there's also themes to take into consideration. Jenna's character arc is basically her achieving self-awareness and empathy. She projects her own faults onto others, especially Heather who she calls the "eternal victim," until Chase provides counterpoints to her views. Leo on the other hand is a tragic love story that only has tragic endings which, in my opinion, is perfectly fine. He was driven mad by through a feedback loop of Echo and his love for Chase. This is rectified in other routes like in Jenna's where he snaps out of his delusions and in TJ's where he kind of ghosts Chase after seeing that he's not interested and seems to handle it pretty well without the hysteria driving him insane. He's a perfectly reasonable guy outside of the town's influences.
I definitely do see the favoritism though. I think sometime after people criticized Jenna for being obnoxious some of her lines were rewritten to be less grating and more understanding of the player character. One was even inserted to compare her to another female character who was really likeable, though that was probably a throwback.
At least it was left open ended that Leo and Chase might still get together. With Jenna admitting her jealousy and Leo only admitting Chase is an Ex (nothing stopping them from going back after talking). Better than outright saying it won't happen.
I know everybody is focusing on Jenna's Route rn, but right now i just finished Carl's route and what i can gather is that it wasn't really a pleasant ending. Everything was on fire in the end and... it's over!? Is there a Good ending to Carl's route or was that just it?
Congratulations to EchoProject for the amazing game, art and soundtrack. I'm in love with the story and will prob never be the same. I hope that eventually there will be a playlist somewhere cause i love the musics in this game.
I looked online for a suggested route and I was happy when I did this route:
Leo -> Flynn -> Carl -> TJ -> Jenna (due to completed route, of course)
In that order, to me, it felt like each route I gradually learned more and more about "it" and about their past. Until you get TJ, who spells it all out for you and, in my opinion, has the biggest reveal.
McSkinny agreed with the route order R65 -> Carl -> Leo -> Jenna -> TJ -> Flynn.
I am a very strong proponent of Flynn going last. I would also recommend playing TSR too before starting. It makes one of the routes a lot more impactful imo.
I am too, but I think their relationship problems are very nearly insurmountable! Leo is obsessive and didn't treat Chase the way he should have. Also Chase enables him and keeps him hopping they can be together by leading him on and ghosting him!
I think they could have worked out their problems, but it would be very hard! They really are cute together, but it'd be so hard for them to actually work things out!
I see Jenna's route (without Chase being with her) leaving it open ended. She admitted to being jealous and Leo only admited to Chase being his Ex. If they talk it out off screen, they might have ended together, which is my personal headcanon.
Absolutely amazing visual novel, some of the best I've read, masterful writing, theming and immersion. while I haven't read the update yet I know its going to be amazing , every character is lovable despite their flaws. The writers attention to detail is immaculate. This whole VN is a roller coaster ride, (make sure to bring some tissues!) Their whole collection is absolutely amazing, for me this one takes the cake!
I started playing Echo a few months ago and basically binged each route within 2 weeks. Now having just finished the last of Jenna's route... I'm speechless. Her good ending is nothing short of phenomenal, especially losing the authority to chose what music to play at the restaurant. Seeing the "..." has never been so impactful and it was actually jaw dropping. Out of all the endings, Jenna's is definitely my favorite and I hope that her good ending is the one that is continued from in Arches. It tied everything into a really nice bow, gave closure to a lot of hanging threads like Leo's obsession plus redeeming his character, and finally showing how Sam's influence on Chase is laid to rest (while also revealing Sam as the one who was haunting him in the first place). Initially I thought it was Sydney or just a sadistic version of Chase himself but Sam's introduction in Jenna's route really goes a long way after having played through what is available of The Smoke Room. It makes me wonder how Sam ended up in that position at his death. At the very least it seems like he was old when he died so we know for sure he lived a long life.
Anyway, enough derailing. This VN is remarkable, nothing short of an emotional roller coaster. I can't wait to see what genius is in store for us in the future, and thank you Echo Project for creating these series of masterpieces, including Adastra and it's extensions. You all deserve so much more than Patreon crowd funding.
Echo had been on my list of VNs to play ever since finishing Adastra last year but put it off because i was partly turned off by the idea of the horror genre plus Adastra seriously pulled at my heartstrings so much i cried my eyes out when it was over and was weary about going through that again so soon. I only started playing Echo 5 days ago and i'm glad i waited as long as i did, not knowing the VN wasn't complete yet. Some seriously good timing on my part!
Safe to say i was sucked right into the game and having just completed my final route i'm emotionally broken again and yes i did cry again. Genuinely i just want to cuddle TJ, I'm both in love with and disgusted by Leo, feel sorry for Flynn despite his behaviour, hopeful for Carl, proud of Jenna and really relate to Chase. For those curious i played the following:
TJ > Leo > Flynn > Carl > Benefits > Route 65 > Jenna
I still have The Smoke Room and Arches to play but they won't be with the core group so it won't really feel the same. Without a doubt though this is definitely one of if not my favourite VN i've ever played. Thank you so so much to the EchoProject team for producing the wonderful pieces of art that you make. I hope you can continue for many years to come!
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Is there any good ending in this vn?
Jenna's good ending is the best one, but the other endings all have interesting things, even if there sad or traumatic
after finishing the Flynn route I kind of want a Sydney route. No, I do not know exactly what I mean except for the fact that I want more of the adult!Sydney character.
Hi! I'm new to this game and I've read that there are multiple routes that are linked to the understanding of the story, but separated as there are totally different endings. I was wandering if there is an actual more suitable sequence of route to take that fits better the approach to the story, hopefully made by the author himself. I'd appreciate a user comment too with his/her suggestions on which route order to follow WITHOUT SPOILERS. I'm ok not knowing why i should do one route before another one.
Carl -> Leo -> Jenna -> TJ -> Flynn was the order that McSkinny (writer) agreed with
I thought TJ was the very last and Flynn just before his?
Thanks a lot for the answer! I hope this game is as good as Adastra (maybe even better since there are lots of routes)
Unfortunately I started with TJ and then followed the sequence. I guess I robbed myself of the reveal about Sydney's death. I think the author should put a little footnote in the description of the game, about the most optimal way to play.
I think that it’s most important to follow your interests. Each route has a major reveal that makes the routes replayable so that you can see the hints. That being said, I went Carl, Flynn, Tj, Leo, Jenna.
I was reading that Brazilian otters can be 50% bigger than a normal otter!
lol
Can someone explain who and/or what is the red monster in this VN!?
Is the monster that hit the car and the one in the mine, the same as the red monster (are they all the same monster or different monsters)?
I've played all routes multiple times and i have some theory's but I'd like some confirmation. Like i think flynn is the red monster because of his ending. And the red monster can bend space-time to some extant.
Its hard to tell. I think the one in the mine is the same, its described differently because when they made that scene, they didn't have artwork for it yet.
There are other monsters in Echo, but the red sockface appears the most. And yes Flynn is the monster.
there is one last question i forgot to put there; Was chase, samuel or the hum (while controlling chase's body) that killed sydney? Like, the time he killed Flynn there was a moment where he wasnt in control anymore. Was that samuel or the hum making him lose it in Tj's route. That conversation in the bathroom is what makes me question it.
thanks for the confirmation btw. This has been in my mind for some time now. I wanted to go into Arches without any doughts, so its nice to get all those questions out of the way. Thanks again
It appeared to me to be a combination of Chase hating Sydney and being influenced by the entity he spoke to in the mirror
I believe it influenced him to kill Sydney in the same way it did Flynn
The red monster is Flynn. Specifically Flynn from his route. The idea is that basically at the end of Flynn's route he became one with the Tide, which is basically the pattern in how the hysteria works. Tide rolls in when some kind of murder happens, rolls out when the hysteria is over. Notice how Flynn at the end of his route is showing up at specifically negative moments in character's past. He was in Jennas closet when hiding from her abusive father etc. Basically, the monster shows up when any sort of negative action occurs. Its a problem specific to the town for some presently unexplained reason, but there are theories. The monster isnt bending space time, space time is bending him. Every time the tide rolls out a piece of him is taken, not just mentally. Thats why the monster looks like beef jerky, he's being taken apart peice by peice until he is nothing, one with the tide. The monster in all routes is flynn from his route as the tide covers all routes simultaneously. To summarize, Flynn turns into the monster and then is dragged into other routes throughout different periods of time.
wow thanks, thats a really good explanation but what about the bleeding monster from the road and the heart monster from the mine? Are they pieces of flynn; other people like Flynn; or just monsters?
Are there any NSFW scenes in the game?
Hornyyyyyyy lol. But no there aren't, there are some very explicit scenes but no NSFW illustrations sorry.
If you download previous builds there are NSFW sprites.
Do you know how one can download the previous builds? For research purposes?
Described ones? Yes, like three or four. But nothing in the way of CGs. You play for the plot, and not the ass kind.
Finally! now every route is finished
PS. the NSFW sprites in images are gone TwT
Yeah, kinda sad. I guess since they never used them in the story they just got rid of them.
Aw man
How many endings are there in all? I’ve played through everyone’s route once and wanna experience everything this vn has to offer, but I’m not sure who’s routes have a second ending and who’s doesn’t, if someone knows I would greatly appreciate it!! <3
Flynn and TJ both have one ending, Leo has two bad endings, and Jenna & Carl have one good and one bad ending.
Two bad ending for Leo? I considered it one bad ending and one neutral ending, or do you mean the killed in Dukes house ending?
Yeah, I meant that. I guess calling it neutral makes sense.
I consider the neutral Leo ending to be kinda depressing.
Leo has 3 endings, there's a good ending.
I consider the good ending a neutral ending
Spoiler
Chase gets to be with Kudzu in the good ending, but Leo is left with incredible depression!
it's still the 'good' ending because the protagonist is in a healthier relationship and away from echo i guess lol
How do I get jennas good ending. I only got the flood ending (which I assume is the bad).
When you're walking with her on Thursday, disagree with her opinion on Leo and then choose "we kept each other sane."
Hey so, my problem is the opposite - I can't seem to get her bad ending somehow... Which choices do I need to make to get there? Because honestly I've gone through as many as I can think of and all I've gotten is the good ending.
Try disagreeing with her and choosing "This town breaks people". That's what I did.
is the ending where you go back to college with Carl the good ending for his route?
Yes
Is there a canon ending to this story? And will there be a echo 2: electric bugaloo? I know about smoke room, but seeing this VN (that i love and waited for each update like a leo wanting to get in chase's pants) end makes me sad and only hope/wonder if there will be any sequel.
All the routes and endings are canon and none of them at the same time!
There is a sequel called Arches being made, but it doesn't fallow any of the routes and is completely new characters.
Does Flynn's route have two endings? If it does how can i get each one?
Nope, Flynn's fate is locked into that one ending.
So sad, he's actually my favorite
Haven't seen anyone mention but you can actually gain small access to chases phone and look through a dating app called predator. Nice small detail
Oh yeah, thats right!
I would never have found it if I hadn't seen it talked about on the discord chat.
Crazy because I didn't even know until I was skipping through get back where I was in TJs section and accidentally mis clicked the home button. Nice piece of hidden content
Oh, wow. It is pretty neat though.
Too bad Chase doesn't get any responses.
Sorry, but could you tell exacly, where is this phone? I can't find it enywhere....
Sever times in the story you see chase texting someone and he hold up his phone, if you click on the home button through the diologue box you get access to the dating app he was using.
I can't download the Linux version via Itch.
Says hosted on incompatible website.
That's because it's not hosted on Itch, it's hosted on MediaFire.
- McSkinny
Ahh. I used to update via Itch. Thanks.
I still can't believe Echo is done! I haven't been following it that long, I discovered it at the end of 2020.
Anyway after playing all the routes and following the Jenna route updates until the end, I thought it was the best ending. But it still leaves with a lot of questions.
Spoiler questions!
Do they all keep in contact?
Do Leo and Chase stay friends?
Do Leo and Micha become a couple?
Will Jenna be less judgmental of people now?
Can TJ recover or is he traumatized for life?
Also do Carl and Flynn stay together?
I hope at least a couple things are mentioned in Arches.
- I hope so. Leo said they can talk over the internet and Jenna says her inbox is always open
- Most likely. There seem to be no hard feelings.
- Who knows
- That's the idea
- Probably going to recover, thugh probably without the character development he had in his route.
- Probably recover. He seems to be doing alright
- That's the idea
I see, I see thanks. I guess I got kinda attached to these characters, and wish they have have decant lives after Echo.
So does Jenna's path have two endings or just one? And if It have two, what should I do to get both?
yes, to get it you need to agree with her opinion on Leo, and then choose "this town breaks people".
(thats the bad ending )
will you please make an epilogue for the good endings? Especially jennas! I’d love to see them! It’s a cute couple!
Just finished Jenna's route, the last route I needed to play through... can't tell if I had the good ending or the bad... but what an experience none the less.... got to say most of the horror in this VN didn't really phase me too badly (still chilling, but manageable.)
**SPOILERS BELOW!**
but when what I'm dubbing: "Hum-Chase" walked onto the screen, not appearing but actually animated walking with unnatural movement. I genuinely felt disturbed! I shivered, goose bumps on my arms and the hair stood up on my arms and neck... I didn't want to turn around to turn the light on.
(thank god for virtual assistants!)Anyways:
So Jenna was the only one to stay behind, I assume that's the bad ending?
**END OF SPOILERS!**
This has been amazing and I can't wait to see more (than what I already have) in Arches!
So I just finished my first route (Leo's), and I was wondering if the other routes are important if I want to play the other games. Of course I'm still gonna get back to the other routes anyways, but I wasn't sure if there's still any crucial information I'll miss if I go on to play TSR (I'm not planning on playing Route 65 until I get to the other routes)
route 65 gives some important context to jenna's route, but otherwise nah, the smoke room works as a standalone story
This visual novel was the most powerful, disturbing and depressing art experience I've ever seen. You guys raised the level with such unique story, art and music.
I completed all routes and ended with TJ's... I am still under the shock of what happened. Woke up at night thinking of it, even had tears in my eyes in the morning (which has not happened to me in years).
I still struggle to figure out how you managed to create such a realistic, yet nightmarish world. While I assume there are lynchian references, I would be very curious to know the other potential influences if there are any!
Thank you again for this masterpiece, I rarely saw such intensity in today's shows. I don't consider myself to be a furry but it will haunt me for long and I'm looking forward to see your next projects.
All the best!
Since Jenna route has animation will there be changes and animations to the other routes I should replay for?
I'll be doing a typo fix update, including an animated Echo Project logo, and overhauling the Jenna Route animation to run more smoothly on older android phones for the next update.
- McSkinny
Oh nice
Loved Jenna's route! Is McSkinny going to continue writing for EchoProject?
Yep!
- McSkinny
Super weird that Jenna is the final/true route. Dang, what a ride! See y'all next time <3
Jenna is not the true rout, all routs are canon due to multiple universes existing.
It's the least shit route, though. Arches should hopefully take place in this timeline.
True, the 2nd best I think would be leo route with certain choices
I would've thought Arches would follow Flynn's or TJ's routes, since the main arches characters appear in the endings for those two
The town goes to shit on all endings, so the 2 new main characters exist and visit Echo on all timelines.
((MAJOR SPOILERS))
Jenna's good ending was amazing, I love how everyone got along near the end, and how Micha unexpectedly fit in kind of! poor Flynn, I can guess what he was going to hear when he left, but that diner and the group's atmosphere was so blessed, the group was together without much quarrel for once! and Leo's little smile near the end was a perfect touch
Jenna's bad ending felt weird and short at some points , if chase said he was bi, I expected that he might at least be allowed to be there with her when she tampered with the dam, nevertheless, what the entity said by the end was satisfying "i suppose you won't be coming back", Jenna actually buried the unsolvable puzzle, she actually defeated echo in some manner! but by giving it too many sacrifices while doing so, and most likely her future as well, if she survived or found a way around the flood to manage and leave , she would most likely be arrested for life.
Evil Jenna was an unexpected, pleasant surprise nevertheless, seeing someone so collected, cool-headed and the most rational person in the group going chaotic like that, I dunno, I enjoyed that concept for some reason, not to mention how Flynn's shakey behavior after what he did proved parts of his personality so well, he has become even more of a favorite in my book.
It was a great ending! I agree it was nice seeing them all together one last time. Poor Flynn though, I want to hug him.
The bad ending I was like "Jenna's gone nuts!"
I still feel kinda sad that Leo and Chase can't ever be together, but in this ending at least their still friends.
Where was it said that Leo and Chase can't ever be together?
Well it looks like Chase would never come back to Echo and Leo still won't leave so...
Remember Jenna's route ends BEFORE they get the news of all the shit that happened in Echo. So, it's stil turning into a ghost town and Leo will move out eventually.
Hmm, good point!
I honestly think Leo and Chase are so adorable together, but Leo seems to be into Micha at the end of Jenna route.
Hey, if your interested I can get you a link to my echo fanfic that explores alternate outcomes for Leo's route.
The point of the bad ending was to show that Jenna isn't too different from the people she criticizes. What better way to show that than to have her do what Heather would have done? There's hints here and there to her selfishness and lack of self-awareness and her overall derisive attitude towards others. It's not surprising what happens when you provide her with enough excuses to head down that path. Micha and Leo are honest enough to call her out on her her bs while Chase is a bit of a simp so you won't that impression from his internal monologues...
so it's a good thing it's actually up to Sam to set her straight
Very well said!
Yeah Jenna is not so much better then the people she looks down on!
It's up to Sam to set her straight? not sure i understand, how?
Every choice you make is implied to have been done by Sam since he is possessing Chase. The ending scene shows that Sam has lost all influence over Chase.
Jenna's route good ending was probably the best out of all of the others (that's not saying much since the others have pretty horrifying and sad endings) , and I feel like Mc and Howly (the writers, god bless them) did an amazing job with everything and really ended Echo on a weirdly hopeful note.
Btw the final choice where Chase became indecisive, signifying that Samuel is gone was wonderful
Agreed here!
My headcanon will remain like this: Jenna's route, pick no one when she asks who else from the group you'd rather be with (the game doesn't force you to choose someone). At the ending, Jenna admits her BS and Leo opens up:
"Chase, I was a complete idiot and have done some very stupid shit these past days. I also had an unhealthy obsession with you, to the point of creating that thing we saw. I am flawed and have a lot to work through but I also know without a doubt that I love you more than anything. I wish for us to be together for the rest of our lives.
Chase thinks back of the events we saw during Leo's bad ending. Memories that are real and genuine. His first kiss with Leo, "introducing" him to his family and all the feelings he had during those moments.
Leo- I want to know if you feel the same, Chase. You don't have to answer right now. We can tal...
Chase- Yes.
Leo- ...
Chase- I love you too, Leo. I should have never let my hate for that town to cloud this feeling. You are not the only one flawed. We both have to work through some shit but I want us to try. I want to spend my life with you.
Sounds cute to me!
I'm not sure that could work though. I'm planning a fanfic retelling of the Echo story, only Chase makes some interesting alternate decisions.
Jenna and Leo routes spoilers!
On the Echo discord channel, Leo is hated for going insane and killing two people, but it seems that Jenna is admired for going insane and destroying the whole town and killing dozens! Some people keep posted how she shows great girl power and girlboss for doing it!
Well, I say Jenna is the worst character and in both endings should have been somehow stuck in echo while the rest get out.
Spoilers...
I agree mostly. Jenna does get quite a bit more favoritism in her route, but there's also themes to take into consideration. Jenna's character arc is basically her achieving self-awareness and empathy. She projects her own faults onto others, especially Heather who she calls the "eternal victim," until Chase provides counterpoints to her views. Leo on the other hand is a tragic love story that only has tragic endings which, in my opinion, is perfectly fine. He was driven mad by through a feedback loop of Echo and his love for Chase. This is rectified in other routes like in Jenna's where he snaps out of his delusions and in TJ's where he kind of ghosts Chase after seeing that he's not interested and seems to handle it pretty well without the hysteria driving him insane. He's a perfectly reasonable guy outside of the town's influences.
I definitely do see the favoritism though. I think sometime after people criticized Jenna for being obnoxious some of her lines were rewritten to be less grating and more understanding of the player character. One was even inserted to compare her to another female character who was really likeable, though that was probably a throwback.
I see, yeah makes sense. Jenna has grown on me, her good ending really is good! I guess I just like Leo...
Hey anoyone have the problem of installing on apk?
spoiler to Jenna's route.
At least it was left open ended that Leo and Chase might still get together. With Jenna admitting her jealousy and Leo only admitting Chase is an Ex (nothing stopping them from going back after talking). Better than outright saying it won't happen.
I hope they at least stay friends! I don't think Leo and Micha should be together, thats kinda weird...
I've got something else to say about Jenna's ending, but I'll make a new comment for it.
I know everybody is focusing on Jenna's Route rn, but right now i just finished Carl's route and what i can gather is that it wasn't really a pleasant ending. Everything was on fire in the end and... it's over!? Is there a Good ending to Carl's route or was that just it?
((SPOILERS))
Does Jenna have a bad ending? I keep getting a good ending no matter what? if there is a bad ending how do I trigger it?
Choose option to make her view the town as evil place, 'Agreed with her opinion about Leo, 'This town break people'
Thank you kindly!
Is it by coincidence that some of the locations in this Visual Novel is in real life?, or is it intentional?
Ok, Thanks!
Congratulations to EchoProject for the amazing game, art and soundtrack. I'm in love with the story and will prob never be the same. I hope that eventually there will be a playlist somewhere cause i love the musics in this game.
It's nice to see a finished product lol GRATS TO ECHOPROJECT AND EVERYONE THAT HAS BEEN HERE FROM THE BEGINNING :D
Played these months ago and gonna start replaying all routes soon. Dang excited for new content!
From a story perspective and w/o spoilers can anyone recommend a route order? I'm thinking of doing them one character at a time.
There seems to be a lot of recommended route orders.
Mine is Carl>Flynn>TJ>Leo>Jenna.
I looked online for a suggested route and I was happy when I did this route:
Leo -> Flynn -> Carl -> TJ -> Jenna (due to completed route, of course)
In that order, to me, it felt like each route I gradually learned more and more about "it" and about their past. Until you get TJ, who spells it all out for you and, in my opinion, has the biggest reveal.
McSkinny agreed with the route order R65 -> Carl -> Leo -> Jenna -> TJ -> Flynn.
I am a very strong proponent of Flynn going last. I would also recommend playing TSR too before starting. It makes one of the routes a lot more impactful imo.
Spoilers!
I'm still sad that there isn't a ending where Chase and Leo actually solve their problems and stay together :c
I am too, but I think their relationship problems are very nearly insurmountable! Leo is obsessive and didn't treat Chase the way he should have. Also Chase enables him and keeps him hopping they can be together by leading him on and ghosting him!
I think they could have worked out their problems, but it would be very hard! They really are cute together, but it'd be so hard for them to actually work things out!
I see Jenna's route (without Chase being with her) leaving it open ended. She admitted to being jealous and Leo only admited to Chase being his Ex. If they talk it out off screen, they might have ended together, which is my personal headcanon.
damn, I didn't expect Sam to die like that..
In Echo he's been dead for a long time!
Or did you mean the flashback scene?
it was the flashback scene, the one that Mr. Bronson ran over Sam in Chase's dream
Yeah, I see.
Absolutely amazing visual novel, some of the best I've read, masterful writing, theming and immersion. while I haven't read the update yet I know its going to be amazing , every character is lovable despite their flaws. The writers attention to detail is immaculate. This whole VN is a roller coaster ride, (make sure to bring some tissues!) Their whole collection is absolutely amazing, for me this one takes the cake!
Wow. I'm awestruck.
(General spoilers for every route ahead.)
I started playing Echo a few months ago and basically binged each route within 2 weeks. Now having just finished the last of Jenna's route... I'm speechless. Her good ending is nothing short of phenomenal, especially losing the authority to chose what music to play at the restaurant. Seeing the "..." has never been so impactful and it was actually jaw dropping. Out of all the endings, Jenna's is definitely my favorite and I hope that her good ending is the one that is continued from in Arches. It tied everything into a really nice bow, gave closure to a lot of hanging threads like Leo's obsession plus redeeming his character, and finally showing how Sam's influence on Chase is laid to rest (while also revealing Sam as the one who was haunting him in the first place). Initially I thought it was Sydney or just a sadistic version of Chase himself but Sam's introduction in Jenna's route really goes a long way after having played through what is available of The Smoke Room. It makes me wonder how Sam ended up in that position at his death. At the very least it seems like he was old when he died so we know for sure he lived a long life.
Anyway, enough derailing. This VN is remarkable, nothing short of an emotional roller coaster. I can't wait to see what genius is in store for us in the future, and thank you Echo Project for creating these series of masterpieces, including Adastra and it's extensions. You all deserve so much more than Patreon crowd funding.
Yeah, truly!
Jenna's good ending is so satisfying!
They all remain friends and it seems they are starting to overcome their problems!
(although I still ship Chase x Leo)
Echo had been on my list of VNs to play ever since finishing Adastra last year but put it off because i was partly turned off by the idea of the horror genre plus Adastra seriously pulled at my heartstrings so much i cried my eyes out when it was over and was weary about going through that again so soon. I only started playing Echo 5 days ago and i'm glad i waited as long as i did, not knowing the VN wasn't complete yet. Some seriously good timing on my part!
Safe to say i was sucked right into the game and having just completed my final route i'm emotionally broken again and yes i did cry again. Genuinely i just want to cuddle TJ, I'm both in love with and disgusted by Leo, feel sorry for Flynn despite his behaviour, hopeful for Carl, proud of Jenna and really relate to Chase. For those curious i played the following:
TJ > Leo > Flynn > Carl > Benefits > Route 65 > Jenna
I still have The Smoke Room and Arches to play but they won't be with the core group so it won't really feel the same. Without a doubt though this is definitely one of if not my favourite VN i've ever played. Thank you so so much to the EchoProject team for producing the wonderful pieces of art that you make. I hope you can continue for many years to come!