Hi! Ive been following the game for a couple of updates, and every time there is a new release I end up having to play again the route that was updated. Is there any way to skip to a certain scene with a fresh install?
I just played through so much, Nik's route is particularly popping off, but I just have a few error corrections (at least what I believe to be errors) if you have any drive to fix them. It's very little.
SPOILERS BTW PEOPLE
- In William's route, talking to Marcy (I don't know which time, probably first) it says "If they can tell the truth, they why can't you?" As opposed to "then why can't you"
- In Nik's route, talking to Mr. Briggs, following all the stuff about "to prosper with a family of five, it is demanded that we slit the throats of 500 others"
it says "Genteely of course" it is probably just gently, but I did just learn about "Genteelly" being a word, that would fit there grammatically, and seem closer than gently.
- In Nik's again, this is a frame issue rather than a text issue, right before they do the naughty in Sam's room, it says, "It's the green bottle" -> "The outside is sticky..." -> "And the inside is stickier."
when it says "The outside is sticky" he grows back clothes and his pp has a bit of an outline showing his fur through his clothes, but definitely not a shape that's supposed to be there
Other than that, please keep going, I'm especially excited for the Murdoch update like really soon. He had some tea for sure, especially with all the Blithe stuff, which then overlapped I think with Nik's, but I don't think we'll ever know. (unless we do)
Has anyone else been having issues with the 32bit build not opening? Anytime I try to open it, it'll show up in Task Manager for a second before immediately suspending itself.
Man i am so sad qwq i was just playing Williams rote and it just ended after cliff getting on the laundry room while Will was talk with Cynthia , im so so so sad there is no more for now , i feel so empty 😭 what am i supposed to do now? 😭😭
Its really good, the art style is great its well written. The characters are well written. But if your not into psychological horror avoid. But its really good.
I've installed android version, but both in murdoch and William routes doesn't play "by a man some hooch" scene, just a black screen. I tap and the game resumes.
I think this latest chapter actually gave me the ick..
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Because I know from personal experience how being held down like that by someone you trust can supremely fuck you up..... I think I'll be steering clear of Williams route from here on out which sucks but hey... I'm not the creator of the game so... I just have to deal... Great game besides that though I'll definitely play through the other's routes for sure, hope fully they dont get as... revolting...
Keep in mind this Will is a character who likes BDSM and did some pretty kinky stuff with Sam in the previous intimate scene that they had together.
Sam was more or less reciprocating Will's desires in a later scene, which were discussed verbally prior to the scene, and enacted nonverbally after.
There's an aftercare scene I'll be writing in the future, but I just hadn't gotten there in the story at the time due to it being 15k words (which is already big for a monthly update.)
Thank you for reading, and I do hope you will revisit Will's route again some time, even though it's good to avoid triggers that you know will offput you.
Kane is chaotic and a bit villainous. I like him but I don't think he's supposed to be particularly endearing. Thanks for understanding though, and I appreciate that you're still reading. -George
loving the new updates tbh; exploring nuance and distinguished characterizations is always a treat in media and it was honestly presented very well. please continue writing freely
I’ve been following The Echo Project for a long while now. Like longer than i’d like to admit. The stories that y’all put out let me enjoy a side of me I hide and I am so grateful for that.
I had to create an Itch.io account for this most recent update, cause whew people are crazy.
If anyone is reading this comment, spoilers are in it for the most recent update of The Smoke Room.
I truly truly do not understand the audacity some people have. When I first started hearing about Kane I had been seeing people say that he was apparently sexually assaulting Will. I was so shocked and surprised by this, and was finally happy to get this new Will update to see what exactly was happening.
To see that what’s happening is being so blatantly misinterpreted is infuriating. George and the team pour so much love and hard work into this project and the sheer amount of complaints and very incorrect takes about Will and Sam’s arrangement anger me.
It’s stated many times that Will has a big tolerance for alcohol, and it also requires a million specific dialogue choices to reach the part where you’re with Kane, Sam, and Todd. Sam also encourages everything Will does. If you don’t like Will being on the receiving end or in a more submissive position you can click out of it or choose not to partake.
There are SO many other options to prevent the event from happening.
Saying that Kane is assaulting Will blows my mind. Will is finally being open about what he wants and who he wants to do it with. FINALLY. It’s character development and its a small amount of it at this point.
To overcome some trauma that he has is a huge step, and this should be a happy moment for all Will enjoyers. Sure he’s not 100% dom like some people wanted but it’s nice to see him indulge for once and let loose completely.
Unless of course y’all want him to stay the exact same person from the beginning of the story to the end?
I found this new update exciting, riviting even, and was SO happy to see Will get some. Not enough Masc men irl are willing, and it’s nice to see a favorite character of mine enjoy this aspect of his sexuality that he has repeatedly repressed and ignored.
So I thank you Echo team. For everything you’re doing. For the work and time you put into this when you really don’t have to.
i havent played the most recent update for will yet and therefore have no opinions on whatever this hot-button topic is, but even so, there are a lot of points here that resonate with me in general. 'the stories that y’all put out let me enjoy a side of me i hide and i am so grateful for that,' ugh how seen that made me feel.
even if this project is receiving financial support, it is still a passion project first and foremost, which means that the creators are not making something just for the sake of making it. they are putting together something they love so much that they want to continually share it, something that they have the yearning to work on and express whether or not it ever gets popular; and for that reason they deserve a large amount of grace and understanding, because they are sharing updates for a story thats far from finished. how can we have fully-informed and thoughtful opinions about the work before its done? we as readers can offer up our feedback when we feel it is necessary to do so, but otherwise should give the team breathing room to do what theyre doing in peace. even if an update is an uncomfortable one, there will be a resolution, there will be closure, but for now we must learn to wait and see how that scene will later fit into the larger whole.
i just want to end by giving a big thanks to the team for everything theyve done on the smoke room. i dont have the means to support on patreon, but this project, out of all the projects under echo, makes me feel the most. i not only feel like i step into this rich tapestry of prose, but that i see it through the eyes of an actual person with motivations and heart, and not just the narrative framing device of a neutral or passive first-person protagonist. it just- ugh. its fulfilling in a deep way that only a few other works of fiction have ever been able to impact me before, and thats because i can sense how much love and care goes into the work of producing it. this work has a spirit for certain, and it is full of longing and the kind of full-bodied beauteous sadness that only we queers can truly savor. mwah!
Thought I'd just chip in my thoughts because evryone else is doing it...
I'm kinda unsure how to feel about the scene between Will and Kane. I understand that Will is not as dominant as he wants people to believe (and honestly I'm kinda into it), but I was hoping that he would explore that side of his sexuality with Sam... After all, Sam is the main character and Will was the route we chose. I'm interested to see how the relationship between Sam and the other main characters develop, and I know we have Nik for the more traditional romantic route, but I feel like Sam was kinda sidelined in his own game in the last update.
Or maybe I just don't like Kane. He comes off as kinda slimy and reminds me of some guys I've had bad experiences with. That and I feel like the whole scene kinda read far too much like what happened in Murdoch's route, which was not a fun time. Still, it's not something I'm gonna pull my patreon membership over, I'm very interested in the story as a whole. It's just a little disappointing to see so much time between Will and someone else rather than Will and Sam
Hey please fix the download link for windows. Every time I try too download it the download fails. And its not my internet I have strong internet and a fast connection. Please fix I want to play the latest update.
android version fails while installing build 30 and says it is having trouble parsing the package :( never had this issue with other builds or apps. please fix either before or with the next build
Careful not to lose your save file if you uninstall it! If you use android's built in file manager it has permission to access the save data, then you can copy it to another folder, and copy it back when you download the new version.
The app keeps crashing on Cliff's route, when we meet Avery in the forest, I already tried deleting it then installing it again but it keeps happening.
I've found that a lot of android visual novels lack stability. If you have a laptop or computer it will be easier to play it on those. Significantly more stable.
I am so confused by all the backlash. The way people are talking about the scene with Kane makes it sound almost like they downloaded a different version of the game. So confused about some of the comments talking about wanting Will to be "faithful" to Sam as well. It's obvious that the relationship dynamics here as well with other routes are non-standard. The fact that Will and Sam aren't fitting their relationship into a typical monogamous box doesn't suddenly make them morally reprehensible or delegitimize their connection to each other as not being "faithful", whatever that means in this context.
and to think that it's sam who encouraged will to do it in the first place. will's starting to test uncharted waters and people whine about it for whatever reason. i think its not in the writing anymore. it's just that it didn't meet whatever expectations they had in mind and now they're lashing out :3
Yeah, like, Will's connection with Sam is the entire reason he felt comfortable and was able to take pleasure in the whole scene to begin with? It's like people just turned off their reading comprehension for that part.
Nah they won't understand that. They keep saying Will's sex-starved in this update when in fact he's weighing everything seriously.
Spoilers prolly:
1. He reminds himself that he needs to keep his prick in his pants if he wants to keep himself and his friends safe.
2. It was mentioned that he finds Murdoch interesting (for a canine knows what a canine wants) but is a forbidden fruit to him since their relationship is pure business and he doesn't want trouble. The thought is there, obviously. But, as level-headed as good ol' William is, he never attempted to have a go with the fox, no? The slightest interaction they had with regards to this thought is in Murdoch's route when he suspected that there might be something going on between him and Sam and offered paying for Murdoch to do the deed with him (jokingly).
3. He is totally against the idea of going to the barn (possibly because he finds Kane interesting enough) and only agreed to do so because of a lead.
4. Once again, after they went to the barn, we were given the option to mess around or not. And the reason he accepted Sam's proposition is because he trusts the puma, not only because of his sex drive.
An opportunity stumbled on Will's path and with encouragement from Sam, he took it. The entire buildup of his route slowly shows that he is starting to accept who he really is and this update is its peak.
Unsolicited sex? Forced? HAH.
You might be correct: people just turned off their comprehension just because Will did something that is not in their expectations.
I mean Sam literally can't be faithful he'd be out of a job. I always thought of Sam and Will as a open relationship but that's just me. Man people will literally use any excuse to get mad at something it feels like.
This is definitely true, and there is an ongoing harmful perception that people who do sex work are seen as "unfaithful" partners as well (not even necessarily if they are currently involved in sex work, but that if someone has ever participated in sex work then they cannot be "faithful"). What "faithful" means is something that the people participating in the relationship decide on.
(Though honestly I kind of hate this "faithful" word and it's application to relationships in this way. It feels like such a shallow way of describing a romantic relationship).
I get what you are saying. If your relationship is open/poly or has no set boundaries on partners, "faithful" has a very different context to it. I just don't like people saying that because Sam is a sex worker, he has to constantly be thinking/participating in sex. It's a very played out and boring stereotype and one that makes it seem more like an excuse for there to be wanton sex rather than just having a sexually liberated/seeking character.
Not to dismiss what you're saying, but there's another harmful stereotype about sex workers I try to be mindful of-- the idea that it's a terrible, desperate profession that folks are forced into because of hard times (aka the depiction you see in the Les Miserables musical).
A lot of women in the wild west and geishas in Japan found a new sense of agency and autonomy through sex work, and found themselves in economically stronger positions than they were used to. A lot of sex work was banned in parts of the world specifically as a reaction to women gaining political and monetary power through these means as a patriarchal response.
I didn't want to portray Sam's life as a sex worker as something miserable, even though he has a lot of cultural hangups and shame about doing it himself.
Sam likes sex, is good at it, and is making a living in a way he probably otherwise couldn't. I try to portray his work life and also write sex in a way that is meaningful to the plot-- but I also don't want to diminish the joy Sam has doing the act.
pardon me, but is having sex with kane has any crucial impact on the story? like it's something that's necessary to get good ending or something else? because if it's not i'd rather avoid it. sorry...
It's entirely optional, but it's something that you can only do if you have a good relationship between Sam and Will and you as will consent to it and are open to the idea of him being submissive.
The narrative of the plot changes if you don't do this, but there isn't a "correct" answer. -George
thank you so much for the answer. i'm grateful and have no problem with the sex scene among william, sam, and kane. it's just that todd being there makes it a little bit awkward for me, i'm sorry.
my apology beforehand. if possible, could there be a choice where i could exclude todd from the session? i kind of feel guilty about him
Will literally said that Sam had this thing of making people "bold" wc somehow made him do what they just "did".
We were also prompted if we should proceed to do something that stupid or not, which proves that he still has his logical reasoning. Simply select no and it won't happen at all.
The man's starting to become comfortable with his true self because of Sam and he's getting backlash because of it?
He's too closeted for most of his life and now he's slowly starting to accept who he is. And why are you all acting like it's out of character-ish for him when he did it in the past, only to get forced into marriage to someone he doesn't even love? Give the guy a break.
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I love The Smoke Room.
That is all.
Me, currently ranting on a reddit thread on how bad the last William update was.
Who asked?
Not the cheeky little reddit self promo about your opinions flopstiee 😂 plsss
bro's harrassing me cuz he wants to jerk it to gay furries. chill out.
Y'all behave. Don't make me get the broom.
-George
Imagine being with someone his favorite VNs are TSR and Burrows.
That's me, lol
well, hello there !!
you called?
Yeah
Hi! Ive been following the game for a couple of updates, and every time there is a new release I end up having to play again the route that was updated. Is there any way to skip to a certain scene with a fresh install?
i figured it out. Im so embarassed :/
you are good!
I love Will! Got so invested in that character and story, can't wait to see how it all unfolds c:
好像看nik威廉一起做爱
I just played through so much, Nik's route is particularly popping off, but I just have a few error corrections (at least what I believe to be errors) if you have any drive to fix them. It's very little.
SPOILERS BTW PEOPLE
- In William's route, talking to Marcy (I don't know which time, probably first) it says "If they can tell the truth, they why can't you?" As opposed to "then why can't you"
- In Nik's route, talking to Mr. Briggs, following all the stuff about "to prosper with a family of five, it is demanded that we slit the throats of 500 others"
it says "Genteely of course" it is probably just gently, but I did just learn about "Genteelly" being a word, that would fit there grammatically, and seem closer than gently.
- In Nik's again, this is a frame issue rather than a text issue, right before they do the naughty in Sam's room, it says, "It's the green bottle" -> "The outside is sticky..." -> "And the inside is stickier."
when it says "The outside is sticky" he grows back clothes and his pp has a bit of an outline showing his fur through his clothes, but definitely not a shape that's supposed to be there
Other than that, please keep going, I'm especially excited for the Murdoch update like really soon. He had some tea for sure, especially with all the Blithe stuff, which then overlapped I think with Nik's, but I don't think we'll ever know. (unless we do)
Thank you.
Todd is so precious I love him
im so conflicted.😭😭😭 I hate horror, but I want to see dik... what do I do^^
LMAO
you're playing echo project games for the porn?
Wrong game
Switch to something like amorous lmfao
Has anyone else been having issues with the 32bit build not opening? Anytime I try to open it, it'll show up in Task Manager for a second before immediately suspending itself.
It's one of the best vn I've played, I love it and I especially love Nik and his route
I hope that u continue bringing content to this vn :D
Damn, what do you mean it was Nik's birthday and i missed it?!😭
Man i am so sad qwq i was just playing Williams rote and it just ended after cliff getting on the laundry room while Will was talk with Cynthia , im so so so sad there is no more for now , i feel so empty 😭 what am i supposed to do now? 😭😭
There should be more? That's an old build.
-George
that was in build 26. check and see if you have the latest build downloaded.
also yes williams route is still in the making as every route is
Help I can't install the android archive 😭I NEED to know what happend
Why couldn't Sam just do that with Will..? Getting someone else involved with it was just weird..
i'm really skeptical about this vn , idk if i wanna try it or not. Can someone share their really really honest thoughts on it?
An old woman wielding daggers three stands before you.
She laughs a hallow laugh. An inhuman laugh.
Betwixt crooked teeth yellowed as if by the wild sumac itself, you hear the cacophony of her voice:
"There's penice," she says, throwing back her head.
The ancient world turns beneath you. Silence. Stillness. Somber truth.
Is that a passage from the vn? Well, atleast the writing seems pretty good
still kinda unsure tho
It's a good VN, you should at the very least try it out
Its really good, the art style is great its well written. The characters are well written. But if your not into psychological horror avoid. But its really good.
ts is amazing 😭😭😭😭
Holy smokes I loved that! Gosh i love Nik, and i got chills about what happened in the caves. I love what's happening in Nik's route, keep it up!!
Approximately how close are you to finishing the vn?
I've installed android version, but both in murdoch and William routes doesn't play "by a man some hooch" scene, just a black screen. I tap and the game resumes.
Has someone the same issue?
in The Smoke Room Update 31(Nik), TSR-32 doesn't open 😿
when will the android version of the new update release
it is out
Thank you<3
i estimate that TSR is between 60-67% completed
I think this latest chapter actually gave me the ick..
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Because I know from personal experience how being held down like that by someone you trust can supremely fuck you up..... I think I'll be steering clear of Williams route from here on out which sucks but hey... I'm not the creator of the game so... I just have to deal... Great game besides that though I'll definitely play through the other's routes for sure, hope fully they dont get as... revolting...
Keep in mind this Will is a character who likes BDSM and did some pretty kinky stuff with Sam in the previous intimate scene that they had together.
Sam was more or less reciprocating Will's desires in a later scene, which were discussed verbally prior to the scene, and enacted nonverbally after.
There's an aftercare scene I'll be writing in the future, but I just hadn't gotten there in the story at the time due to it being 15k words (which is already big for a monthly update.)
Thank you for reading, and I do hope you will revisit Will's route again some time, even though it's good to avoid triggers that you know will offput you.
--George S.
Did I miss something? I don't remember anyone being held down was their a alt route I missed?
I'm curious as well since I'm blanking on any scene like this
sam held wills arms back while he took a face shot. Will didn't freak out or stop him so it's nothing.
Kane is chaotic and a bit villainous. I like him but I don't think he's supposed to be particularly endearing.
Thanks for understanding though, and I appreciate that you're still reading.
-George
loving the new updates tbh; exploring nuance and distinguished characterizations is always a treat in media and it was honestly presented very well. please continue writing freely
I NEED CLIFF
I can't install version 30. Is there an earlier version available?
I’ve been following The Echo Project for a long while now. Like longer than i’d like to admit. The stories that y’all put out let me enjoy a side of me I hide and I am so grateful for that.
I had to create an Itch.io account for this most recent update, cause whew people are crazy.
If anyone is reading this comment, spoilers are in it for the most recent update of The Smoke Room.
I truly truly do not understand the audacity some people have. When I first started hearing about Kane I had been seeing people say that he was apparently sexually assaulting Will. I was so shocked and surprised by this, and was finally happy to get this new Will update to see what exactly was happening.
To see that what’s happening is being so blatantly misinterpreted is infuriating. George and the team pour so much love and hard work into this project and the sheer amount of complaints and very incorrect takes about Will and Sam’s arrangement anger me.
It’s stated many times that Will has a big tolerance for alcohol, and it also requires a million specific dialogue choices to reach the part where you’re with Kane, Sam, and Todd. Sam also encourages everything Will does. If you don’t like Will being on the receiving end or in a more submissive position you can click out of it or choose not to partake.
There are SO many other options to prevent the event from happening.
Saying that Kane is assaulting Will blows my mind. Will is finally being open about what he wants and who he wants to do it with. FINALLY. It’s character development and its a small amount of it at this point.
To overcome some trauma that he has is a huge step, and this should be a happy moment for all Will enjoyers. Sure he’s not 100% dom like some people wanted but it’s nice to see him indulge for once and let loose completely.
Unless of course y’all want him to stay the exact same person from the beginning of the story to the end?
I found this new update exciting, riviting even, and was SO happy to see Will get some. Not enough Masc men irl are willing, and it’s nice to see a favorite character of mine enjoy this aspect of his sexuality that he has repeatedly repressed and ignored.
So I thank you Echo team. For everything you’re doing. For the work and time you put into this when you really don’t have to.
And shame to others who don’t appreciate it.
(also I need Buy a Man Some Hooch on Spotify.)
i havent played the most recent update for will yet and therefore have no opinions on whatever this hot-button topic is, but even so, there are a lot of points here that resonate with me in general. 'the stories that y’all put out let me enjoy a side of me i hide and i am so grateful for that,' ugh how seen that made me feel.
even if this project is receiving financial support, it is still a passion project first and foremost, which means that the creators are not making something just for the sake of making it. they are putting together something they love so much that they want to continually share it, something that they have the yearning to work on and express whether or not it ever gets popular; and for that reason they deserve a large amount of grace and understanding, because they are sharing updates for a story thats far from finished. how can we have fully-informed and thoughtful opinions about the work before its done? we as readers can offer up our feedback when we feel it is necessary to do so, but otherwise should give the team breathing room to do what theyre doing in peace. even if an update is an uncomfortable one, there will be a resolution, there will be closure, but for now we must learn to wait and see how that scene will later fit into the larger whole.
i just want to end by giving a big thanks to the team for everything theyve done on the smoke room. i dont have the means to support on patreon, but this project, out of all the projects under echo, makes me feel the most. i not only feel like i step into this rich tapestry of prose, but that i see it through the eyes of an actual person with motivations and heart, and not just the narrative framing device of a neutral or passive first-person protagonist. it just- ugh. its fulfilling in a deep way that only a few other works of fiction have ever been able to impact me before, and thats because i can sense how much love and care goes into the work of producing it. this work has a spirit for certain, and it is full of longing and the kind of full-bodied beauteous sadness that only we queers can truly savor. mwah!
Thanks. I quite dislike the notion that masc men can never enjoy subbing, and feel represented when I do get to see it in media.
-George
Thought I'd just chip in my thoughts because evryone else is doing it...
I'm kinda unsure how to feel about the scene between Will and Kane. I understand that Will is not as dominant as he wants people to believe (and honestly I'm kinda into it), but I was hoping that he would explore that side of his sexuality with Sam... After all, Sam is the main character and Will was the route we chose. I'm interested to see how the relationship between Sam and the other main characters develop, and I know we have Nik for the more traditional romantic route, but I feel like Sam was kinda sidelined in his own game in the last update.
Or maybe I just don't like Kane. He comes off as kinda slimy and reminds me of some guys I've had bad experiences with. That and I feel like the whole scene kinda read far too much like what happened in Murdoch's route, which was not a fun time. Still, it's not something I'm gonna pull my patreon membership over, I'm very interested in the story as a whole. It's just a little disappointing to see so much time between Will and someone else rather than Will and Sam
Hey please fix the download link for windows. Every time I try too download it the download fails. And its not my internet I have strong internet and a fast connection. Please fix I want to play the latest update.
android version fails while installing build 30 and says it is having trouble parsing the package :( never had this issue with other builds or apps. please fix either before or with the next build
Are you updating it? Mine said something along the lines of it's already there so yk try deleting the installed and install a new one
Careful not to lose your save file if you uninstall it! If you use android's built in file manager it has permission to access the save data, then you can copy it to another folder, and copy it back when you download the new version.
I just skip lol longpress and skip till the next choice
thats what ive been doing but to no avail :(
Sometimes you have to uninstall the old build first.
unfortunately I have tried this and failed :(
The app keeps crashing on Cliff's route, when we meet Avery in the forest, I already tried deleting it then installing it again but it keeps happening.
I've found that a lot of android visual novels lack stability. If you have a laptop or computer it will be easier to play it on those. Significantly more stable.
I am so confused by all the backlash. The way people are talking about the scene with Kane makes it sound almost like they downloaded a different version of the game. So confused about some of the comments talking about wanting Will to be "faithful" to Sam as well. It's obvious that the relationship dynamics here as well with other routes are non-standard. The fact that Will and Sam aren't fitting their relationship into a typical monogamous box doesn't suddenly make them morally reprehensible or delegitimize their connection to each other as not being "faithful", whatever that means in this context.
and to think that it's sam who encouraged will to do it in the first place. will's starting to test uncharted waters and people whine about it for whatever reason. i think its not in the writing anymore. it's just that it didn't meet whatever expectations they had in mind and now they're lashing out :3
Yeah, like, Will's connection with Sam is the entire reason he felt comfortable and was able to take pleasure in the whole scene to begin with? It's like people just turned off their reading comprehension for that part.
Nah they won't understand that. They keep saying Will's sex-starved in this update when in fact he's weighing everything seriously.
Spoilers prolly:
1. He reminds himself that he needs to keep his prick in his pants if he wants to keep himself and his friends safe.
2. It was mentioned that he finds Murdoch interesting (for a canine knows what a canine wants) but is a forbidden fruit to him since their relationship is pure business and he doesn't want trouble. The thought is there, obviously. But, as level-headed as good ol' William is, he never attempted to have a go with the fox, no? The slightest interaction they had with regards to this thought is in Murdoch's route when he suspected that there might be something going on between him and Sam and offered paying for Murdoch to do the deed with him (jokingly).
3. He is totally against the idea of going to the barn (possibly because he finds Kane interesting enough) and only agreed to do so because of a lead.
4. Once again, after they went to the barn, we were given the option to mess around or not. And the reason he accepted Sam's proposition is because he trusts the puma, not only because of his sex drive.
An opportunity stumbled on Will's path and with encouragement from Sam, he took it. The entire buildup of his route slowly shows that he is starting to accept who he really is and this update is its peak.
Unsolicited sex? Forced? HAH.
You might be correct: people just turned off their comprehension just because Will did something that is not in their expectations.
I mean Sam literally can't be faithful he'd be out of a job. I always thought of Sam and Will as a open relationship but that's just me. Man people will literally use any excuse to get mad at something it feels like.
The ideology that because Sam is a sex worker means that he has to be this hyper-promiscuous/unfaithful person is very trite.
This is definitely true, and there is an ongoing harmful perception that people who do sex work are seen as "unfaithful" partners as well (not even necessarily if they are currently involved in sex work, but that if someone has ever participated in sex work then they cannot be "faithful"). What "faithful" means is something that the people participating in the relationship decide on.
(Though honestly I kind of hate this "faithful" word and it's application to relationships in this way. It feels like such a shallow way of describing a romantic relationship).
I get what you are saying. If your relationship is open/poly or has no set boundaries on partners, "faithful" has a very different context to it. I just don't like people saying that because Sam is a sex worker, he has to constantly be thinking/participating in sex. It's a very played out and boring stereotype and one that makes it seem more like an excuse for there to be wanton sex rather than just having a sexually liberated/seeking character.
Not to dismiss what you're saying, but there's another harmful stereotype about sex workers I try to be mindful of-- the idea that it's a terrible, desperate profession that folks are forced into because of hard times (aka the depiction you see in the Les Miserables musical).
A lot of women in the wild west and geishas in Japan found a new sense of agency and autonomy through sex work, and found themselves in economically stronger positions than they were used to. A lot of sex work was banned in parts of the world specifically as a reaction to women gaining political and monetary power through these means as a patriarchal response.
I didn't want to portray Sam's life as a sex worker as something miserable, even though he has a lot of cultural hangups and shame about doing it himself.
Sam likes sex, is good at it, and is making a living in a way he probably otherwise couldn't. I try to portray his work life and also write sex in a way that is meaningful to the plot-- but I also don't want to diminish the joy Sam has doing the act.
pardon me, but is having sex with kane has any crucial impact on the story? like it's something that's necessary to get good ending or something else? because if it's not i'd rather avoid it. sorry...
It's entirely optional, but it's something that you can only do if you have a good relationship between Sam and Will and you as will consent to it and are open to the idea of him being submissive.
The narrative of the plot changes if you don't do this, but there isn't a "correct" answer.
-George
thank you so much for the answer. i'm grateful and have no problem with the sex scene among william, sam, and kane. it's just that todd being there makes it a little bit awkward for me, i'm sorry.
my apology beforehand. if possible, could there be a choice where i could exclude todd from the session? i kind of feel guilty about him
I can't download the latest update wonder why, it's stopped downloading after couple of second and the files is empty. Any idea why this happening?
i have no idea, it doesn't work for me either
Yeah I'm having the same issue its annoying.
Will literally said that Sam had this thing of making people "bold" wc somehow made him do what they just "did".
We were also prompted if we should proceed to do something that stupid or not, which proves that he still has his logical reasoning. Simply select no and it won't happen at all.
The man's starting to become comfortable with his true self because of Sam and he's getting backlash because of it?
He's too closeted for most of his life and now he's slowly starting to accept who he is. And why are you all acting like it's out of character-ish for him when he did it in the past, only to get forced into marriage to someone he doesn't even love? Give the guy a break.