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Why does it need access to Google play billing service?

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I’m waiting for this game to be finished so i can play it in it’s full glory, and I’m reading these comments that make me loose my patience.

I’m exited to try it out!

So good!

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Re: Public Build 18

Another hit out of the ballpark (pun intended, I suppose) from EchoProject. The wait was long, but was justified with its content per usual. The h-scene this build was quite intense and the best one in the novel so far in my opinion, it has a lot of impact and makes you feel for both William & Sam and was quite philosophical in the dialogue which was quite surprising at least to me, I hope future h-scenes will have similar proportions rather it just being characters bonding and well being straight up porn. Since Murdoch is my favorite of the four, I was surprised when I read that he got a VGU, I am a fan of the new style, there's still a bit of me who yearns for the old style but I'll get used to it. I think the addition of the notebook is a nice quality-of-life feature and I hope that carries over to future builds and maybe even some of previous events in the novel. I'm looking forward to seeing more of Hattie, Andy, and even Porter.

All-in-all, I was very pleased with the new build and I'm looking forward to the next one even if it takes a while.

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I agree and I friggen loved this build. Also, Umineko chad :)

<Very good>!! Haha, thank you very much. You do not know how much that compliment made my day. I'm very glad that to hear that you loved the build as well.

the drawings are really cute :D

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Okay... I still have to wait patiently. At this time I want this VN on my phone...

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Oh good I'll wait.🌚🏃🏽‍♂️🏃🏽‍♂️💗

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This reminds me of how the Canadians are portrayed in South Park. 😂😂😂😂

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Okay, just finished the update, the wait was worth it !

Loved the whole William scene with Sam, that was both hot and cute to see how much William cares about him (dear lord, all his little taunts like "I like it when you laugh" are just adorable)

The whole William PoV thing was really interesting, and I'm glad Hattie

is nicer than I thought she would be. 

People who played the update, do you think there was an important choice to make/a fork somewhere during this new chapter ?

I think most of them didn't really matter since it only changed the order of the things William did. The only one that might be important is when you have to choose who to talk to at the Hip.

(and maybe at the end of William and Sam's...session when I chose to help Sam instead of letting finishing himself off)

I tried all the options but I still think the best one was Ethel since she gave William more informations than the others


Now it's gonna be a pain to wait for like...6 months to continue William's route but I'm plenty satisfied, thanks for the great writing and the update !

PS : William's drawings are adorable

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Don't know if it will have an effect in future builds: either leave the city hall for last and have a scene with Porter (which is quite interesting) or the Stag for a scene with Dimitri, Paul and Felipe, and then another with Nik (talking about Sam). Feels like the second one is more important due to delving a bit into the conflict Nik feels about Sam.

In the Hip, I think Harlan is the choice that gives the most about the case; while Ethel... was more amusing I guess (and if you followed from the Porter scene, William makes an additional short observation.)

The NSFW scene between William and Sam is very good: hot, intense and deep; hands down the best so far. That whole talk about expectations and suppressed thoughts felt so true and seems connected with what Sam says next (about something crawling and trying to break free from the wall.)

Yeah, I really like William and it will be a pain to wait for his next build.

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Wow, thanks for the reply !

I visited the Stag first during my first playthrough so I didn't encounter Dimitri, Paul and Felipe and it even changed Harlan's dialogue (if you choose to go to the Stag and then the City Hall, he didn't give you that much info)

Definitively feels like a better pick of choices that mines in my first playthrough, everything that brings William and Samuel closer is needed

William's talk during the NSFW scene was quite painful, he really seems to suffer about his situation and what he is

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YES.

I just noticed that since I started playing the smoke room, there have been six builds. Its been very neat and interesting to see how things have been updated and added onto.

I really appreciate you guys taking time to reduce the files size, people might not care but you did an amazing job

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William, Cliff and Nik day 5, Murdoch day 6

estimated completion: 47%

Yaaay finally ! Can't wait to play it

let's goooo

Alright yay new smoke room update!!!

ah yes 3 minutes ago new build

i'm waiting for a Cliff update uwu

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Seeing that the last public update was 83 days ago is painful, especially because I know the next update is about William

His update was posted on patreon the 25th October. Will it be released...like the 25th November ?

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I know it sucks waiting, I wanted to see Williams path the most. I just got done playing the current Nik path its getting so good. I don't want to rush the creators but I wish we'd get updates more regularly. The wait is so long its getting painful

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These updates are free and have been 30k and 20k words for the last two updates respectively. 

Most monthly updates tend to be in the 7k range. 

 

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I would rather keep the quality of the story and the size of the update first before anything that might hurt the Vn. So,  please take your time and keep up with your great results!!!

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Oh yeah, I forgot to ask this. Echo, TSR, and Arches are still in one universe right? So, if they're sorted, TSR comes first, Echo comes second and the last one is Arches. Am I right?

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Yes, they're all setting in the same universe and in this particular order

Echo was the first game to be published and finished, then they created its prequel, the Smoke Room, and a sequel, Arches.

However it's difficult to state if every single event or character in each game is cannon since all games (will) have different routes and byso, different endings

(I mean, heck it's written in the game description just above)

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Multiverse.

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Actually the Jenna's route seems like the cannon one, I mean, a happy ending (compared to the HORRIFYING ones you can have)!

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Yup, I'm glad I did Jenna's route after all the other and got her good ending, it was pretty wholesome considering everything they went through

I'm still sad about Leo's endings though, I really want him to be happy (Chase doesn't deserve his love anyways)

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The Smoke Room > Echo > Arches

T.E.A., so yes you are correct.

Also, incorrect since all routes indicate multiverse; therefore, all routes are canon.

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Is it bad that I kind of want James Hendricks route in the game?

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A romantic one yes
I mean //littles spoilers?// he raped some Meseta Tribe childs and then blamed his bf

So, James is a bad character huh?

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But I can fix him

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Um actually, that was a different James, I think that was his grandfather or something ? The James mentioned in echo is a different one than the one in the smoke room

Oh my god- Oh yes they are different people!
I really forgot due I haven't played echo on several months

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Yeah I assumed they were the same person until yesterday when I realized that those murders were in the 1800s, and this game is set in 1915. I do find it a bit strange how the Ice Cream business is never mentioned, but I guess it kind of clashes with the tone of the game and him being painted as a villain. IIRC other James would be recently dead in this game.

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There is bad blood running in the Hendricks family tree. I, for one, albeit unpopular, don't want a route for James. I feel he has wayyy too much wealth, power, and influence to manipulate, blackmail, or even coerce Sam and the rest of the cast just to get his G.O.A.T. rocks on.

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Question:

How long does it take for the new update to release here after release at Patreon?

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No idea. However, the latest public update for Nik was posted 75 days ago. It became available in Patreon 92 days ago. That's a 17 day difference. The new William route became available in Patreon 17 days ago on October 25th. Meaning the update will drop to public soon... maybe... hopefully ^^

I hope so, I'm really waiting for the continuation of William's route rn

Well they are working on multiple games so it might be a while

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Really love William's character, he's one of those tough guys that are actually really sweet when you know them well, made me totally fall for him

(this and his obviously good looks)

A part of me sincerely hopes he and Samuel will end up together and live a happy life together, but another part of me keeps reminding me this is an Echo game and that it probably won't end in a happily ever after way

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Yeah. I don't want to spoil anything but there are multiple endings to every route. At least one good, at least one bad.

-George

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Oh, thanks for the reply !

Now I'm curious to see what the good ending(s) will be (also curious about the bad endings of course but I didn't come here to suffer)

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: O


I can now rest peacefully.

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Hope you're having a good NaNoWriMo everyone in The Echo Project. 😃😃😃

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i enjoyed echo a LOT  it is hands down the beast thing I have read and then to have another vn witch is giving background and context to what happened before the events of echo is awesome and i get to experience more of the amazing written characters again, thank you !

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Truly in love with all the characters. Even though a lot of the community are hubba hubba muscle bara awooga, I really think each character is respectable and loveable in their own right <3  Can't wait until updates happen more frequently

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Thanks! I'm trying to make every character feel like a real person. and so is Redd. Attitude and thoughtfulness is just as important as body type to me in terms of what attracts me. 
--George

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Thank you for that! I have to admit that what I see has more influence on who I pick at the start but once I have more of a connection to a character I'll get so invested. I appreciate the depth put into the characters

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He is Omega tier hunk!!! 😍😍😍

I still can't download TSR to my android. I idly checked the change log between version 16 and 17. and i found this....

Please take a look to android files

Please take a look to android files, what do you guys say?

is this the cause?

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After playing Nik's route... (To the update of course)

I really wish that Dimitri was a route lmao

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Spoiler Alert:






Where did the child ghost in the mine come from? Or is it Echo playing its tricks again?

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Spoiler alert!











This ghost is (to my mind) the missing  Belithe's friend. Poor little girl :(

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I guess I didn't think of that until now, I thought it was someone else.

Spoiler!



Wonder how the search for her in Murdoch's route will go?

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I'm having problems playing, I downloaded it but I'm not sure how to launch it.

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What device are you on?

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windows 10

Do you have S-Mode? It won't let you play it if you do.

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I'm not sure, how do I check?

It should say when you try to play it, if not then that's not the problem. Anyway S-Mode is a type of firewall, so think twice about removing it. S-Mode blocks apps that don't come from the Microsoft store.

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Well here is what I have: When you download the game from itch.io you should get a zip file, unzip it and you should get a file called 'TSR-17-pc.'  Click into it, then double click the 'TSR' file with the renpy icon (below). It may take a while to open if it is your first time opening the game. P.S. you don't have to keep the zip file, and you won't have the 'log' file if it is your first time opening, it will be automatically created. P.P.S. This applies to most VNs that I play on itch.io for Windows 10. (Please note that this is from my experience). 

 

enjoy the game :)

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Dude think

you so much!

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So is there a certain character route that goes the farther into the story than others? Or do they all end near the same spot?

The game isn't finished yet, so cannot really give you an answer sadly

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Its an amazing game. The characters, story and soundtrack are so cool. There will be Yao's route? He's very interesting. 

If I'm going to say something I didn't like it would be the backgrounds. But the game is still in development so I think that will change in the final version.

(Sorry if anything its wrong I am not fluent at english)

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There might be yao's route, it is unsure. There is only the main routes: William, Nikolai, Murdoch, and Cliff at the moment

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Considering Echo has five routes: Leo (Jenna), TJ, Carl, and Flynn, mayhaps EchoProject can shoehorn one additional route in one of the already established routes? But whom I wonder~? Some of ya'll want Yao, others want Hendricks, I think Cynthia deserves a spot (a la a Jenna to Chase but for Sam). Regardless, I can't wait to see what's next!

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I agree, I think Cynthia should have her own route too. 😃😃😃

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Honestly, although all the secondary characters in TSR are great (I find them more interesting and developed than most secondary characters in Echo) I would prefer a new route for Cynthia. I really enjoyed Jeena's  in Echo and Cynthia and Sam seem very close and there's a hint of a certain platonic interest between them that could go further. Sam has already stated that although he prefers males, he has no problem pleasing a woman. But onward with more Tiger cuddles :)

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funny to think this is happening during WW1

i have just found this and am wondering what order i should play these in

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Echo

Route 65

The smoke room

Arches

You can switch Arches and TSR

But i really ought you to play Echo first

ohh, so they are related to each other? interesting...

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TSR is the prequel of Echo but it was made after Echo

Arches is sequel of Echo

Route 65 is a story about beginning of relationship between Chase Hunter, main character of Echo, and his ex-boyfriend Leonardo Alvarez. You should see Leo's route before playing it.

SO! First thing is Echo. Atleast play 1-2 routes and than you can move on to other games. It will really boost your knowledge of event that happened in other games and give you some background

P.S. It's really fun to see upcoming events in TSR which were spoilered in Echo te-hee^)

wow, looks like I have to play them all....

Any additional suggestions before I play it? Please(?)

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I haven’t played all of this myself, don’t worry

You can play any route you want but a lot of people say you should play it like : Carl, Leo, Tj, Flinn, Jenna ( It’s for Echo)

Just remember it isn’t set in stone! You can play all of the games how you want!

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according to the wiki  the upcoming Echo Project VN GloryHounds happens in the same universe as Echo, except in a timeline where the events of Echo and by extension Arches never happen, what about the events of TSR?

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In my restless dreams, I see that town, Echo....

https://www.personality-database.com/subcategory/19645/the-smoke-room-gaming-mbt...

i had put this link before but now i gave my vote so i figured it was worth link it again

hey! you're on pdb. I've seen your stuff! I'm camuswey on there ^^. Not many people know mbti, especially in the furry vn scene, so always good to see another person!

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the feeling is mutual(relating to seeing someone in the furry VN community who knows MBTI) i also have seen some of your comments, do have any feedback as i am a relative novice

on any in particular? I can give some help :D
I don't have any things to note, but I'm still willing to discuss, if you have any questions 

What's MBTI?

check this site

https://mbti-notes.tumblr.com/theory

It is a typology system created by, "Carl Jung" adopted by Katherine Myers. 
I'll just post what I had posted from another person explaining MBTI.
MBTI follows a system called, "cognitive functions" and here are the cognitive functions. while mbti can be seen in different forms, like, "16p" that is not mbti. that's the big 5/ocean, which is a different typology system.

ognitive functions is how the types work cognitively.

According to Jung, the “cognitive functions” are the two scales of Sensing-Intuition and Thinking-Feeling. These are the ways in which humans process information and think about the world.

there are 8 functions:
introverted/extroverted sensing Si/Se
introverted/extroverted intuition Ni/Ne
introverted/extroverted thinking Ti/Te
introverted/extroverted feeling Fi/Fe

notes: introverted/extroverted doesn't mean anything socially, just extroverted means you take in information externally from the world and introverted means you take in information internally from the world.

we do every function. feeling doesn't exactly mean, "how strongly you feel" it's moreso based off of values and morals.

sensing doesn't mean the 5 senses exactly either.

thinking doesn't mean how well you think, just how you take in information using that type.

like Ti (introverted thinking) means that you come to personalized conclusions that make sense to you basically, whereas Te would more likely rely on information from sources, or people who are verifiable, truthworthy. stuff like that.

each type for their main stack will have the opposite function: introverted sensing will make you have extroverted intuition and extroverted thinking will make you have introverted feeling.

observing functions observe and take in information, whereas judging functions take in information from the observing functions and judge.
Judging functions: Fi and Fe and Ti and Te
Observing functions: Si and Se and Ni and Ne
each type has their own set of functions btw.

did you ever play Password 

https://passwordvn.itch.io/password

great Mystery VN

but i'm the only one that has typed the characters in personality database

https://www.personality-database.com/subcategory/12572/password-gaming-mbti-pers...

no, i didn't play password haha. i should, but i'm not sure. I have to really be in the mood to do a vn imo. or i just force myself. I am trying to play limits in order to type the characters. I do recommend limits! but I can play password maybe :)

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I flip between two personality types (by one letter), but matches are~:

William, Yao, Dimitri, and Beckett~

Perfect, as I love my canids, tigers, bears, and scalies~

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i counted  and currently we are on day 4 for William, day 5 for Nik and Cliff and day 6 for Murdoch

if we assume that all routes go until day 14( 2 weeks) and give all days the same value regardless of lenght then the game is roughly 36% completed

why you assume that plot will take 2 weeks? Is it somewhere written or is it a theory?

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in Echo it was said that the original hysteria was 2 weeks long 

if memory doesn't fail me

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In george's curious cat, he mentions that it's 40% ish. considering what point we're at, I would say it's at least 45% now since nikolai's route.

Another thing to note about time.


Also, if the hysteria lasted 2 weeks, it might not have the same properties as it did in Echo. It could work differently in the Smoke room.% complete. 

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thank you for informing me

I redone my calculations and assuming this post was made after the last Murdoch update then i reach two conclusions

1-each route has a avarage of 11 days

2-currently the game is roughly 44% to completion

What made you conclude that it's 11 days? genuine question :o

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asuming that ask was made between update 16 and 17

at that time there where 18 days out

Nik 3, William 4, Cliff 5 and Murdoch 6

if 18d=40% then 9d=20%

40%+40%+20%=100%%=>18d+18d+9d=45d

45d/4routes=11,25 days each , simplify to 11 days 

100%/45d=>1d=2,22...%=>20d=44,44...%

simplify to 44%, of course these are extremely rough approximations that asume all days have the same length, but is the best i can at the moment.

haha that te of yours. amazing, but makes sense! I could see it being 44% done :D

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man i wish yao had a route

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And I wish we will get some quality time with Todd in next William route  just as we got in Nik's with tiger :3

He is just so adorable and innocent

Oh please not another TJ route. I can't stand that little holy shit.

Lmao I forgot Sam's locker combination in Nik's. Can some help me??

8 left, 16 right, 3 left

kinda wished that The Smoke Room had a TVTropes page

while talking with Porter who should i out?

this is quite late, but there is no effect on which one you choose currently.

They will all lead to the same outcome.

The most interesting ones however are: yao, dimitri, and there is one more person, but I forgot.

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