I still can't believe Echo is done! I haven't been following it that long, I discovered it at the end of 2020.
Anyway after playing all the routes and following the Jenna route updates until the end, I thought it was the best ending. But it still leaves with a lot of questions.
Spoiler questions!
Do they all keep in contact?
Do Leo and Chase stay friends?
Do Leo and Micha become a couple?
Will Jenna be less judgmental of people now?
Can TJ recover or is he traumatized for life?
Also do Carl and Flynn stay together?
I hope at least a couple things are mentioned in Arches.
Just finished Jenna's route, the last route I needed to play through... can't tell if I had the good ending or the bad... but what an experience none the less.... got to say most of the horror in this VN didn't really phase me too badly (still chilling, but manageable.)
**SPOILERS BELOW!**
but when what I'm dubbing: "Hum-Chase" walked onto the screen, not appearing but actually animated walking with unnatural movement. I genuinely felt disturbed! I shivered, goose bumps on my arms and the hair stood up on my arms and neck... I didn't want to turn around to turn the light on. (thank god for virtual assistants!)
Anyways:
So Jenna was the only one to stay behind, I assume that's the bad ending?
**END OF SPOILERS!**
This has been amazing and I can't wait to see more (than what I already have) in Arches!
So I just finished my first route (Leo's), and I was wondering if the other routes are important if I want to play the other games. Of course I'm still gonna get back to the other routes anyways, but I wasn't sure if there's still any crucial information I'll miss if I go on to play TSR (I'm not planning on playing Route 65 until I get to the other routes)
This visual novel was the most powerful, disturbing and depressing art experience I've ever seen. You guys raised the level with such unique story, art and music.
I completed all routes and ended with TJ's... I am still under the shock of what happened. Woke up at night thinking of it, even had tears in my eyes in the morning (which has not happened to me in years).
I still struggle to figure out how you managed to create such a realistic, yet nightmarish world. While I assume there are lynchian references, I would be very curious to know the other potential influences if there are any!
Thank you again for this masterpiece, I rarely saw such intensity in today's shows. I don't consider myself to be a furry but it will haunt me for long and I'm looking forward to see your next projects.
I'll be doing a typo fix update, including an animated Echo Project logo, and overhauling the Jenna Route animation to run more smoothly on older android phones for the next update.
Jenna's good ending was amazing, I love how everyone got along near the end, and how Micha unexpectedly fit in kind of! poor Flynn, I can guess what he was going to hear when he left, but that diner and the group's atmosphere was so blessed, the group was together without much quarrel for once! and Leo's little smile near the end was a perfect touch
Jenna's bad ending felt weird and short at some points , if chase said he was bi, I expected that he might at least be allowed to be there with her when she tampered with the dam, nevertheless, what the entity said by the end was satisfying "i suppose you won't be coming back", Jenna actually buried the unsolvable puzzle, she actually defeated echo in some manner! but by giving it too many sacrifices while doing so, and most likely her future as well, if she survived or found a way around the flood to manage and leave , she would most likely be arrested for life.
Evil Jenna was an unexpected, pleasant surprise nevertheless, seeing someone so collected, cool-headed and the most rational person in the group going chaotic like that, I dunno, I enjoyed that concept for some reason, not to mention how Flynn's shakey behavior after what he did proved parts of his personality so well, he has become even more of a favorite in my book.
Remember Jenna's route ends BEFORE they get the news of all the shit that happened in Echo. So, it's stil turning into a ghost town and Leo will move out eventually.
The point of the bad ending was to show that Jenna isn't too different from the people she criticizes. What better way to show that than to have her do what Heather would have done? There's hints here and there to her selfishness and lack of self-awareness and her overall derisive attitude towards others. It's not surprising what happens when you provide her with enough excuses to head down that path. Micha and Leo are honest enough to call her out on her her bs while Chase is a bit of a simp so you won't that impression from his internal monologues...
so it's a good thing it's actually up to Sam to set her straight
Every choice you make is implied to have been done by Sam since he is possessing Chase. The ending scene shows that Sam has lost all influence over Chase.
Jenna's route good ending was probably the best out of all of the others (that's not saying much since the others have pretty horrifying and sad endings) , and I feel like Mc and Howly (the writers, god bless them) did an amazing job with everything and really ended Echo on a weirdly hopeful note.
Btw the final choice where Chase became indecisive, signifying that Samuel is gone was wonderful
My headcanon will remain like this: Jenna's route, pick no one when she asks who else from the group you'd rather be with (the game doesn't force you to choose someone). At the ending, Jenna admits her BS and Leo opens up:
"Chase, I was a complete idiot and have done some very stupid shit these past days. I also had an unhealthy obsession with you, to the point of creating that thing we saw. I am flawed and have a lot to work through but I also know without a doubt that I love you more than anything. I wish for us to be together for the rest of our lives.
Chase thinks back of the events we saw during Leo's bad ending. Memories that are real and genuine. His first kiss with Leo, "introducing" him to his family and all the feelings he had during those moments.
Leo- I want to know if you feel the same, Chase. You don't have to answer right now. We can tal...
Chase- Yes.
Leo- ...
Chase- I love you too, Leo. I should have never let my hate for that town to cloud this feeling. You are not the only one flawed. We both have to work through some shit but I want us to try. I want to spend my life with you.
On the Echo discord channel, Leo is hated for going insane and killing two people, but it seems that Jenna is admired for going insane and destroying the whole town and killing dozens! Some people keep posted how she shows great girl power and girlboss for doing it!
Well, I say Jenna is the worst character and in both endings should have been somehow stuck in echo while the rest get out.
I agree mostly. Jenna does get quite a bit more favoritism in her route, but there's also themes to take into consideration. Jenna's character arc is basically her achieving self-awareness and empathy. She projects her own faults onto others, especially Heather who she calls the "eternal victim," until Chase provides counterpoints to her views. Leo on the other hand is a tragic love story that only has tragic endings which, in my opinion, is perfectly fine. He was driven mad by through a feedback loop of Echo and his love for Chase. This is rectified in other routes like in Jenna's where he snaps out of his delusions and in TJ's where he kind of ghosts Chase after seeing that he's not interested and seems to handle it pretty well without the hysteria driving him insane. He's a perfectly reasonable guy outside of the town's influences.
I definitely do see the favoritism though. I think sometime after people criticized Jenna for being obnoxious some of her lines were rewritten to be less grating and more understanding of the player character. One was even inserted to compare her to another female character who was really likeable, though that was probably a throwback.
At least it was left open ended that Leo and Chase might still get together. With Jenna admitting her jealousy and Leo only admitting Chase is an Ex (nothing stopping them from going back after talking). Better than outright saying it won't happen.
I know everybody is focusing on Jenna's Route rn, but right now i just finished Carl's route and what i can gather is that it wasn't really a pleasant ending. Everything was on fire in the end and... it's over!? Is there a Good ending to Carl's route or was that just it?
Congratulations to EchoProject for the amazing game, art and soundtrack. I'm in love with the story and will prob never be the same. I hope that eventually there will be a playlist somewhere cause i love the musics in this game.
I looked online for a suggested route and I was happy when I did this route:
Leo -> Flynn -> Carl -> TJ -> Jenna (due to completed route, of course)
In that order, to me, it felt like each route I gradually learned more and more about "it" and about their past. Until you get TJ, who spells it all out for you and, in my opinion, has the biggest reveal.
McSkinny agreed with the route order R65 -> Carl -> Leo -> Jenna -> TJ -> Flynn.
I am a very strong proponent of Flynn going last. I would also recommend playing TSR too before starting. It makes one of the routes a lot more impactful imo.
I am too, but I think their relationship problems are very nearly insurmountable! Leo is obsessive and didn't treat Chase the way he should have. Also Chase enables him and keeps him hopping they can be together by leading him on and ghosting him!
I think they could have worked out their problems, but it would be very hard! They really are cute together, but it'd be so hard for them to actually work things out!
I see Jenna's route (without Chase being with her) leaving it open ended. She admitted to being jealous and Leo only admited to Chase being his Ex. If they talk it out off screen, they might have ended together, which is my personal headcanon.
Absolutely amazing visual novel, some of the best I've read, masterful writing, theming and immersion. while I haven't read the update yet I know its going to be amazing , every character is lovable despite their flaws. The writers attention to detail is immaculate. This whole VN is a roller coaster ride, (make sure to bring some tissues!) Their whole collection is absolutely amazing, for me this one takes the cake!
I started playing Echo a few months ago and basically binged each route within 2 weeks. Now having just finished the last of Jenna's route... I'm speechless. Her good ending is nothing short of phenomenal, especially losing the authority to chose what music to play at the restaurant. Seeing the "..." has never been so impactful and it was actually jaw dropping. Out of all the endings, Jenna's is definitely my favorite and I hope that her good ending is the one that is continued from in Arches. It tied everything into a really nice bow, gave closure to a lot of hanging threads like Leo's obsession plus redeeming his character, and finally showing how Sam's influence on Chase is laid to rest (while also revealing Sam as the one who was haunting him in the first place). Initially I thought it was Sydney or just a sadistic version of Chase himself but Sam's introduction in Jenna's route really goes a long way after having played through what is available of The Smoke Room. It makes me wonder how Sam ended up in that position at his death. At the very least it seems like he was old when he died so we know for sure he lived a long life.
Anyway, enough derailing. This VN is remarkable, nothing short of an emotional roller coaster. I can't wait to see what genius is in store for us in the future, and thank you Echo Project for creating these series of masterpieces, including Adastra and it's extensions. You all deserve so much more than Patreon crowd funding.
Echo had been on my list of VNs to play ever since finishing Adastra last year but put it off because i was partly turned off by the idea of the horror genre plus Adastra seriously pulled at my heartstrings so much i cried my eyes out when it was over and was weary about going through that again so soon. I only started playing Echo 5 days ago and i'm glad i waited as long as i did, not knowing the VN wasn't complete yet. Some seriously good timing on my part!
Safe to say i was sucked right into the game and having just completed my final route i'm emotionally broken again and yes i did cry again. Genuinely i just want to cuddle TJ, I'm both in love with and disgusted by Leo, feel sorry for Flynn despite his behaviour, hopeful for Carl, proud of Jenna and really relate to Chase. For those curious i played the following:
TJ > Leo > Flynn > Carl > Benefits > Route 65 > Jenna
I still have The Smoke Room and Arches to play but they won't be with the core group so it won't really feel the same. Without a doubt though this is definitely one of if not my favourite VN i've ever played. Thank you so so much to the EchoProject team for producing the wonderful pieces of art that you make. I hope you can continue for many years to come!
Here's a though t that may be helpful. Andean communities have long had the notion fo an Apu. This is an entity which gathers on or around a peak near a community, embodying the harmony with which that community lives. A mature apu strives to keep the community in harmony, and so ensure its own health. Apus can become over-enthusiastic and roboticise their community, forcing people into rote activity in th epursuit fo harmony. This drifts into another state, in which strong feelings, but always negative, are harnesed. This flow is caled "hucha", and results in parasiticisationa nd ultimate destruction fo the community. Echo isa hucha-fuelled apu.
The complex cosmology that supports this notion has two blocks, one of total order, th eother toal disorder, with a flow of th eopposite of hucha, Illya, flwoing fromt he one to the other. Our world constitutes a mebrane that stops these two instantly annihilating each other. It is constructed and maintained by a layer of order called the hanaq, at the orders of another layer, called the uchu. Apus arerooted in the uchu. Other beings - saqras - exist as partial inteligences, spun off from apus and their activities. Echo has a number of such, from the haunted van to Sam rebooted, to ultimately, the unfortunate Flynn.
I'm glad I supported an followed this to end, such good work <3 Really my only question is if the knowledge of other paths is supposed to inform the other paths or if we are supposed to assume they are all seperate.
Need a bit of help! (SPOILERS AHEAD! ONLY READ WHEN YOU HAVE FINISHED JENNA'S ROUTE)
Since apparently there are 2 endings for Jenna's route, does anyone know how to get the "bad" ending? No matter how many times I've replayed and tried different options, I always get the ending where everyone survives the night and regroups at the diner. The last option to pick whether to let Jenna or Micha do the talking only leads to a slight variation but ultimately identical ending. Unless those are the two endings, can anyone tell me how to get the other ending (presumably bad) ending? Thanks in advance!
the bad ending can actually be played if you choose either option! i chose that i was bisexual, and i got the bad ending. but, i think talking about this helps in singling out which option provides the bad ending or the good ending.
so....it's over? can't really believe it. Can't say I wasn't expecting this but I was at least expecting several more updates until it was completed. This vn has put me through a lot and inspired me to even start writing myself. I haven't been following for that long but it seems like forever and with no more updates to look forward to it's like a there is a hole in my chest just like when I finished reading each of the others routes. Guess I could re-read it from time to time.
Luckily, they're going to make "Arches" which will be the sequel. The teasers have been showing the gay couple Devon and Cameron (the coyote and bear) that show up at the end of some of the routes. There's also the prequel "The Smoke Room" that's come a decent way but far from over itself.
This game has also inspired me to start writing horror myself, and it's amazing to think how this game has inspired and affected so many people. It's no arguement that the team of EchoProject is very talented with what they do, and I can't wait to see what's in store for the future.
I can't really describe how much this game has impacted me, so I'll just keep this as short as I can haha. Thank you so much for all the work and love you poured into this thing. This is such a horrifying, powerful, incredible story, and I'll never forget it. ❤️⚓
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I still can't believe Echo is done! I haven't been following it that long, I discovered it at the end of 2020.
Anyway after playing all the routes and following the Jenna route updates until the end, I thought it was the best ending. But it still leaves with a lot of questions.
Spoiler questions!
Do they all keep in contact?
Do Leo and Chase stay friends?
Do Leo and Micha become a couple?
Will Jenna be less judgmental of people now?
Can TJ recover or is he traumatized for life?
Also do Carl and Flynn stay together?
I hope at least a couple things are mentioned in Arches.
- I hope so. Leo said they can talk over the internet and Jenna says her inbox is always open
- Most likely. There seem to be no hard feelings.
- Who knows
- That's the idea
- Probably going to recover, thugh probably without the character development he had in his route.
- Probably recover. He seems to be doing alright
- That's the idea
I see, I see thanks. I guess I got kinda attached to these characters, and wish they have have decant lives after Echo.
So does Jenna's path have two endings or just one? And if It have two, what should I do to get both?
yes, to get it you need to agree with her opinion on Leo, and then choose "this town breaks people".
(thats the bad ending )
will you please make an epilogue for the good endings? Especially jennas! I’d love to see them! It’s a cute couple!
Just finished Jenna's route, the last route I needed to play through... can't tell if I had the good ending or the bad... but what an experience none the less.... got to say most of the horror in this VN didn't really phase me too badly (still chilling, but manageable.)
**SPOILERS BELOW!**
but when what I'm dubbing: "Hum-Chase" walked onto the screen, not appearing but actually animated walking with unnatural movement. I genuinely felt disturbed! I shivered, goose bumps on my arms and the hair stood up on my arms and neck... I didn't want to turn around to turn the light on.
(thank god for virtual assistants!)Anyways:
So Jenna was the only one to stay behind, I assume that's the bad ending?
**END OF SPOILERS!**
This has been amazing and I can't wait to see more (than what I already have) in Arches!
So I just finished my first route (Leo's), and I was wondering if the other routes are important if I want to play the other games. Of course I'm still gonna get back to the other routes anyways, but I wasn't sure if there's still any crucial information I'll miss if I go on to play TSR (I'm not planning on playing Route 65 until I get to the other routes)
route 65 gives some important context to jenna's route, but otherwise nah, the smoke room works as a standalone story
This visual novel was the most powerful, disturbing and depressing art experience I've ever seen. You guys raised the level with such unique story, art and music.
I completed all routes and ended with TJ's... I am still under the shock of what happened. Woke up at night thinking of it, even had tears in my eyes in the morning (which has not happened to me in years).
I still struggle to figure out how you managed to create such a realistic, yet nightmarish world. While I assume there are lynchian references, I would be very curious to know the other potential influences if there are any!
Thank you again for this masterpiece, I rarely saw such intensity in today's shows. I don't consider myself to be a furry but it will haunt me for long and I'm looking forward to see your next projects.
All the best!
Since Jenna route has animation will there be changes and animations to the other routes I should replay for?
I'll be doing a typo fix update, including an animated Echo Project logo, and overhauling the Jenna Route animation to run more smoothly on older android phones for the next update.
- McSkinny
Oh nice
Loved Jenna's route! Is McSkinny going to continue writing for EchoProject?
Yep!
- McSkinny
Super weird that Jenna is the final/true route. Dang, what a ride! See y'all next time <3
Jenna is not the true rout, all routs are canon due to multiple universes existing.
It's the least shit route, though. Arches should hopefully take place in this timeline.
True, the 2nd best I think would be leo route with certain choices
I would've thought Arches would follow Flynn's or TJ's routes, since the main arches characters appear in the endings for those two
The town goes to shit on all endings, so the 2 new main characters exist and visit Echo on all timelines.
((MAJOR SPOILERS))
Jenna's good ending was amazing, I love how everyone got along near the end, and how Micha unexpectedly fit in kind of! poor Flynn, I can guess what he was going to hear when he left, but that diner and the group's atmosphere was so blessed, the group was together without much quarrel for once! and Leo's little smile near the end was a perfect touch
Jenna's bad ending felt weird and short at some points , if chase said he was bi, I expected that he might at least be allowed to be there with her when she tampered with the dam, nevertheless, what the entity said by the end was satisfying "i suppose you won't be coming back", Jenna actually buried the unsolvable puzzle, she actually defeated echo in some manner! but by giving it too many sacrifices while doing so, and most likely her future as well, if she survived or found a way around the flood to manage and leave , she would most likely be arrested for life.
Evil Jenna was an unexpected, pleasant surprise nevertheless, seeing someone so collected, cool-headed and the most rational person in the group going chaotic like that, I dunno, I enjoyed that concept for some reason, not to mention how Flynn's shakey behavior after what he did proved parts of his personality so well, he has become even more of a favorite in my book.
It was a great ending! I agree it was nice seeing them all together one last time. Poor Flynn though, I want to hug him.
The bad ending I was like "Jenna's gone nuts!"
I still feel kinda sad that Leo and Chase can't ever be together, but in this ending at least their still friends.
Where was it said that Leo and Chase can't ever be together?
Well it looks like Chase would never come back to Echo and Leo still won't leave so...
Remember Jenna's route ends BEFORE they get the news of all the shit that happened in Echo. So, it's stil turning into a ghost town and Leo will move out eventually.
Hmm, good point!
I honestly think Leo and Chase are so adorable together, but Leo seems to be into Micha at the end of Jenna route.
Hey, if your interested I can get you a link to my echo fanfic that explores alternate outcomes for Leo's route.
The point of the bad ending was to show that Jenna isn't too different from the people she criticizes. What better way to show that than to have her do what Heather would have done? There's hints here and there to her selfishness and lack of self-awareness and her overall derisive attitude towards others. It's not surprising what happens when you provide her with enough excuses to head down that path. Micha and Leo are honest enough to call her out on her her bs while Chase is a bit of a simp so you won't that impression from his internal monologues...
so it's a good thing it's actually up to Sam to set her straight
Very well said!
Yeah Jenna is not so much better then the people she looks down on!
It's up to Sam to set her straight? not sure i understand, how?
Every choice you make is implied to have been done by Sam since he is possessing Chase. The ending scene shows that Sam has lost all influence over Chase.
Jenna's route good ending was probably the best out of all of the others (that's not saying much since the others have pretty horrifying and sad endings) , and I feel like Mc and Howly (the writers, god bless them) did an amazing job with everything and really ended Echo on a weirdly hopeful note.
Btw the final choice where Chase became indecisive, signifying that Samuel is gone was wonderful
Agreed here!
My headcanon will remain like this: Jenna's route, pick no one when she asks who else from the group you'd rather be with (the game doesn't force you to choose someone). At the ending, Jenna admits her BS and Leo opens up:
"Chase, I was a complete idiot and have done some very stupid shit these past days. I also had an unhealthy obsession with you, to the point of creating that thing we saw. I am flawed and have a lot to work through but I also know without a doubt that I love you more than anything. I wish for us to be together for the rest of our lives.
Chase thinks back of the events we saw during Leo's bad ending. Memories that are real and genuine. His first kiss with Leo, "introducing" him to his family and all the feelings he had during those moments.
Leo- I want to know if you feel the same, Chase. You don't have to answer right now. We can tal...
Chase- Yes.
Leo- ...
Chase- I love you too, Leo. I should have never let my hate for that town to cloud this feeling. You are not the only one flawed. We both have to work through some shit but I want us to try. I want to spend my life with you.
Sounds cute to me!
I'm not sure that could work though. I'm planning a fanfic retelling of the Echo story, only Chase makes some interesting alternate decisions.
Jenna and Leo routes spoilers!
On the Echo discord channel, Leo is hated for going insane and killing two people, but it seems that Jenna is admired for going insane and destroying the whole town and killing dozens! Some people keep posted how she shows great girl power and girlboss for doing it!
Well, I say Jenna is the worst character and in both endings should have been somehow stuck in echo while the rest get out.
Spoilers...
I agree mostly. Jenna does get quite a bit more favoritism in her route, but there's also themes to take into consideration. Jenna's character arc is basically her achieving self-awareness and empathy. She projects her own faults onto others, especially Heather who she calls the "eternal victim," until Chase provides counterpoints to her views. Leo on the other hand is a tragic love story that only has tragic endings which, in my opinion, is perfectly fine. He was driven mad by through a feedback loop of Echo and his love for Chase. This is rectified in other routes like in Jenna's where he snaps out of his delusions and in TJ's where he kind of ghosts Chase after seeing that he's not interested and seems to handle it pretty well without the hysteria driving him insane. He's a perfectly reasonable guy outside of the town's influences.
I definitely do see the favoritism though. I think sometime after people criticized Jenna for being obnoxious some of her lines were rewritten to be less grating and more understanding of the player character. One was even inserted to compare her to another female character who was really likeable, though that was probably a throwback.
I see, yeah makes sense. Jenna has grown on me, her good ending really is good! I guess I just like Leo...
Hey anoyone have the problem of installing on apk?
spoiler to Jenna's route.
At least it was left open ended that Leo and Chase might still get together. With Jenna admitting her jealousy and Leo only admitting Chase is an Ex (nothing stopping them from going back after talking). Better than outright saying it won't happen.
I hope they at least stay friends! I don't think Leo and Micha should be together, thats kinda weird...
I've got something else to say about Jenna's ending, but I'll make a new comment for it.
I know everybody is focusing on Jenna's Route rn, but right now i just finished Carl's route and what i can gather is that it wasn't really a pleasant ending. Everything was on fire in the end and... it's over!? Is there a Good ending to Carl's route or was that just it?
((SPOILERS))
Does Jenna have a bad ending? I keep getting a good ending no matter what? if there is a bad ending how do I trigger it?
Choose option to make her view the town as evil place, 'Agreed with her opinion about Leo, 'This town break people'
Thank you kindly!
Is it by coincidence that some of the locations in this Visual Novel is in real life?, or is it intentional?
Ok, Thanks!
Congratulations to EchoProject for the amazing game, art and soundtrack. I'm in love with the story and will prob never be the same. I hope that eventually there will be a playlist somewhere cause i love the musics in this game.
It's nice to see a finished product lol GRATS TO ECHOPROJECT AND EVERYONE THAT HAS BEEN HERE FROM THE BEGINNING :D
Played these months ago and gonna start replaying all routes soon. Dang excited for new content!
From a story perspective and w/o spoilers can anyone recommend a route order? I'm thinking of doing them one character at a time.
There seems to be a lot of recommended route orders.
Mine is Carl>Flynn>TJ>Leo>Jenna.
I looked online for a suggested route and I was happy when I did this route:
Leo -> Flynn -> Carl -> TJ -> Jenna (due to completed route, of course)
In that order, to me, it felt like each route I gradually learned more and more about "it" and about their past. Until you get TJ, who spells it all out for you and, in my opinion, has the biggest reveal.
McSkinny agreed with the route order R65 -> Carl -> Leo -> Jenna -> TJ -> Flynn.
I am a very strong proponent of Flynn going last. I would also recommend playing TSR too before starting. It makes one of the routes a lot more impactful imo.
Spoilers!
I'm still sad that there isn't a ending where Chase and Leo actually solve their problems and stay together :c
I am too, but I think their relationship problems are very nearly insurmountable! Leo is obsessive and didn't treat Chase the way he should have. Also Chase enables him and keeps him hopping they can be together by leading him on and ghosting him!
I think they could have worked out their problems, but it would be very hard! They really are cute together, but it'd be so hard for them to actually work things out!
I see Jenna's route (without Chase being with her) leaving it open ended. She admitted to being jealous and Leo only admited to Chase being his Ex. If they talk it out off screen, they might have ended together, which is my personal headcanon.
damn, I didn't expect Sam to die like that..
In Echo he's been dead for a long time!
Or did you mean the flashback scene?
it was the flashback scene, the one that Mr. Bronson ran over Sam in Chase's dream
Yeah, I see.
Absolutely amazing visual novel, some of the best I've read, masterful writing, theming and immersion. while I haven't read the update yet I know its going to be amazing , every character is lovable despite their flaws. The writers attention to detail is immaculate. This whole VN is a roller coaster ride, (make sure to bring some tissues!) Their whole collection is absolutely amazing, for me this one takes the cake!
Wow. I'm awestruck.
(General spoilers for every route ahead.)
I started playing Echo a few months ago and basically binged each route within 2 weeks. Now having just finished the last of Jenna's route... I'm speechless. Her good ending is nothing short of phenomenal, especially losing the authority to chose what music to play at the restaurant. Seeing the "..." has never been so impactful and it was actually jaw dropping. Out of all the endings, Jenna's is definitely my favorite and I hope that her good ending is the one that is continued from in Arches. It tied everything into a really nice bow, gave closure to a lot of hanging threads like Leo's obsession plus redeeming his character, and finally showing how Sam's influence on Chase is laid to rest (while also revealing Sam as the one who was haunting him in the first place). Initially I thought it was Sydney or just a sadistic version of Chase himself but Sam's introduction in Jenna's route really goes a long way after having played through what is available of The Smoke Room. It makes me wonder how Sam ended up in that position at his death. At the very least it seems like he was old when he died so we know for sure he lived a long life.
Anyway, enough derailing. This VN is remarkable, nothing short of an emotional roller coaster. I can't wait to see what genius is in store for us in the future, and thank you Echo Project for creating these series of masterpieces, including Adastra and it's extensions. You all deserve so much more than Patreon crowd funding.
Yeah, truly!
Jenna's good ending is so satisfying!
They all remain friends and it seems they are starting to overcome their problems!
(although I still ship Chase x Leo)
Echo had been on my list of VNs to play ever since finishing Adastra last year but put it off because i was partly turned off by the idea of the horror genre plus Adastra seriously pulled at my heartstrings so much i cried my eyes out when it was over and was weary about going through that again so soon. I only started playing Echo 5 days ago and i'm glad i waited as long as i did, not knowing the VN wasn't complete yet. Some seriously good timing on my part!
Safe to say i was sucked right into the game and having just completed my final route i'm emotionally broken again and yes i did cry again. Genuinely i just want to cuddle TJ, I'm both in love with and disgusted by Leo, feel sorry for Flynn despite his behaviour, hopeful for Carl, proud of Jenna and really relate to Chase. For those curious i played the following:
TJ > Leo > Flynn > Carl > Benefits > Route 65 > Jenna
I still have The Smoke Room and Arches to play but they won't be with the core group so it won't really feel the same. Without a doubt though this is definitely one of if not my favourite VN i've ever played. Thank you so so much to the EchoProject team for producing the wonderful pieces of art that you make. I hope you can continue for many years to come!
What happened to my legs and feet on Leo's route
They become free jerky.
They ran off
Here's a though t that may be helpful. Andean communities have long had the notion fo an Apu. This is an entity which gathers on or around a peak near a community, embodying the harmony with which that community lives. A mature apu strives to keep the community in harmony, and so ensure its own health.
Apus can become over-enthusiastic and roboticise their community, forcing people into rote activity in th epursuit fo harmony. This drifts into another state, in which strong feelings, but always negative, are harnesed. This flow is caled "hucha", and results in parasiticisationa nd ultimate destruction fo the community. Echo isa hucha-fuelled apu.
The complex cosmology that supports this notion has two blocks, one of total order, th eother toal disorder, with a flow of th eopposite of hucha, Illya, flwoing fromt he one to the other. Our world constitutes a mebrane that stops these two instantly annihilating each other. It is constructed and maintained by a layer of order called the hanaq, at the orders of another layer, called the uchu. Apus arerooted in the uchu. Other beings - saqras - exist as partial inteligences, spun off from apus and their activities. Echo has a number of such, from the haunted van to Sam rebooted, to ultimately, the unfortunate Flynn.
More on this here: http://www.darksunbrightmoon.com/ See 'plot summary' for a more analytical view of the cosmology.
Well, thats really weird and interesting!
Not sure it applies to Echo as its strongly implied that whatever causes all that weird stuff has always been evil.
Can somebody explain what happened to Jenna's Bad Ending? :3
I think Jenna finished what Heather was about to do:flood the town.
I just finished Jenna route good ending!
Its really satisfying after all the other endings!
I wish there was an epilogue that shows them all staying friends...
Maybe Arches will be lighthearted! maybe...
Arches?
Arches is the continuation of Echo (I think) https://www.patreon.com/posts/new-project-40585641
Haha you wish
I saw the artist who makes the backgrounds for Arches say its the darkest things he's ever worked on!
Paintfox mostly does wholesome arts so i'm really interest what he can do to bring out dark element to Arches :D
Yeah! I look foreword to it!
I'm glad I supported an followed this to end, such good work <3 Really my only question is if the knowledge of other paths is supposed to inform the other paths or if we are supposed to assume they are all seperate.
Need a bit of help! (SPOILERS AHEAD! ONLY READ WHEN YOU HAVE FINISHED JENNA'S ROUTE)
Since apparently there are 2 endings for Jenna's route, does anyone know how to get the "bad" ending? No matter how many times I've replayed and tried different options, I always get the ending where everyone survives the night and regroups at the diner. The last option to pick whether to let Jenna or Micha do the talking only leads to a slight variation but ultimately identical ending. Unless those are the two endings, can anyone tell me how to get the other ending (presumably bad) ending? Thanks in advance!
the bad ending can actually be played if you choose either option! i chose that i was bisexual, and i got the bad ending. but, i think talking about this helps in singling out which option provides the bad ending or the good ending.
(spoilers)
when talking to jenna on thursday, agree with her and say "this town breaks people". that will lock you into the bad ending
Yep i can confirm this. Thanks for the help!
Before i download the completed version how many routes r there
5 routes for all the friends (Jenna, TJ, Flynn, Carl and Leo.) Some of them have varied endings.
I'm about to download completed Echo!
I can't believe its finished!
so....it's over? can't really believe it. Can't say I wasn't expecting this but I was at least expecting several more updates until it was completed. This vn has put me through a lot and inspired me to even start writing myself. I haven't been following for that long but it seems like forever and with no more updates to look forward to it's like a there is a hole in my chest just like when I finished reading each of the others routes. Guess I could re-read it from time to time.
Luckily, they're going to make "Arches" which will be the sequel. The teasers have been showing the gay couple Devon and Cameron (the coyote and bear) that show up at the end of some of the routes. There's also the prequel "The Smoke Room" that's come a decent way but far from over itself.
This game has also inspired me to start writing horror myself, and it's amazing to think how this game has inspired and affected so many people. It's no arguement that the team of EchoProject is very talented with what they do, and I can't wait to see what's in store for the future.
Sequal not prequal :P the prequal is The Smoke Room
I can't really describe how much this game has impacted me, so I'll just keep this as short as I can haha. Thank you so much for all the work and love you poured into this thing. This is such a horrifying, powerful, incredible story, and I'll never forget it. ❤️⚓
i tried update mac on Itch app but i keep get error: 'This title is hosted on an incompatible third-party website'
not even sure what that mean
The download button sends you to MediaFire, so I'd assume the itch.io app can't update off of it. Try downloading it off the itch.io website instead!
alright that make sense, thank for reply :D
Seems to have been repaired now!