oh. horribly frustrating that the entire fourth build covers only a single day, with a cliffhanger at the end. i guess i can't really be that upset since it's free and all, i just kinda hoped they'd have the momentum to make larger updates by now
oh i mean it's gotta be. Meta-wise it'd be insane for them to be referring to someone we've never met. What interests me is that the uplift working is so unlikely. And in the slide after this there's an abysmal likelyhood of it happening before "arrival". Maybe that's Marco arriving back to Adastra in a few years, or maybe he's gonna arrive at Khemia. That'd be fun
yeah, I agree. The likelihood is so small and I don’t know what that means. But luckily we got some hint that there could possibly be scenarios about Marco
haven’t played the update yet, but wether this timeline is some future where humanity is Prospering? Or can somehow attain and sustain that many humans (Over two trillion Humans), why wouldn’t the devs just do somewhere in the 8. 2 billion(s) or lower,(since that’s around the current population of Earth)? That just seems so far fetched if the game is ment to be based off current Or somewhat current Real-World-Present-Day humanity if it were being integrated into sibling status (that just caught me off guard Especially if it’s possibly alluding to Marco?)
When it came out back in 2020, it was unpleasant to see it bashed pretty early in development and devastating for it to go on hiatus. Of course, it had its flaws and wasn't perfect, yet I eagerly awaited its return. After years, it receives a revamp with new dialogue and scenes altered to fit the current narrative. Of course, mixed opinions would arise with the art direction, and at first, it wasn't a big deal for me, per se, but the sprites are mundane as they've lost the soul Adastra had. The cgs are decent at best, with some being magnificent and the rest looking unfinished, which could be a stylistic choice Haps is going for. I especially agree with some calling the sprites very Bara-like or flat out caricatures, but my optimism remained with the plot. With the new update, I'm torn if I should continue the story at all. One of the big mysteries within Adastra consists of Neferus' backstory, primarily why he's being punished and his true intentions. With high expectations and Neferu taking center stage in Khemia, you'd believe it to be climatic or a revelation to his character and getting an understanding of him. To put it briefly, when Neferu opens up about his past for his extremist behavior, it was underwhelming.
For how much build-up we had since found out about his hardship, and for Scipio's reaction to be so disconnected from the reveal was a total letdown. Mind you, the root of Scipio's resentment with Adastran's lower class is due to their violent, uneducated, prideful habits, and it's well established how it impacts him, including the attacks that haunt him throughout his journey. With this information, you'd expect Neferu's confession to trigger some kind of distaste, feel conflicted, or even a reassessment of trust. Instead, we get “Don't worry Neferu, I'd probably do the same”, like what?? You could argue his actions were about a decade old, so it doesn't have much of an impact on Scipio, but his wounds are fresh and are integral to his trauma. Negating it would also be saying “It's been like three years, get over it”.
I've seen some arguable takes if Scipio is even a good lead, often compared to Marco, but I possibly think Howly doesn't get Scipio as a character, as it consists of him not being put in a specific direction. If I'm going to be honest, there's so much more I could add as to why this scene irked me, even outside the topic, but this is the straw that broke the camels for me.
I do partially agree, I love all the sprites apart from Amicus’s which seems to flat in my opinion. But in my opinion, I think the reason Scipio says “Don’t worry I’d do the same” is a partially because as stated in the story, he’s mostly been told just to “man up”. Though I do feel like a bit of resentment or at least mixed feelings about Nefuru should have been sparked in Scipio.
I do have my own gripes, like how Scipio in some lines seems a bit overly sterile, with little to no character in some lines. But overall I’m personally happy with the story as it is so far.
Yea, the sprites were a sincere downgrade from the first game, if I could say that some escaped, it would only be Nefero and Cassius, but only a little.
I think that just putting the sprites from the first game for Amicus would be enough
no way this vn has being on hold for so long i forgot it existed but it came back eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee im so exited though i wish astara had a part 2 to it as i would have loved to see my boy amicus with his hubby
I think Khemia is a reality check for the Adastra universe. I had this romantisized idea of the Galaxias after playing Adastra, but I love that the Echo Project has taken a different approach with Khemia. As a guy I've always wanted to be in the place of Marco in Adastra, but I never considered what that would be like for a woman in Adastran society and I am glad that Khemia explores that flaw. I thought that the Alliance with the Khemians would be very straight forward especally since Amicus is friends with one of the sons of the Pharaoh. However, the suspiciously advanced Khemian-built tech and classified information that even the son of the Pharaoh isn't allowed to know, again emphasises the complex politics and shatters that romanticised image I had of the Adastra Universe as a whole. Thank you Echo Project for creating such a captivating piece of fiction and art <3!
Now that build 4 is out on patreon, when will it be released on here. Because I only have the free plan on Patreon and I really want to read the next par
I wonder if there are any issues with dropping the next build, with the payment processor problems recently. Is the next build going to be uploaded here or downloadable from Patreon? Or is the itch launcher required to run the VN, which is causing issues? Am looking forward to the next public release build!
Sadly, I dont think i will personally be playing Khemia at all. Looking at the story and plot lines, it would appear as though we are no longer following, well, literally us. Now, I'm not brandishing this game at all, and I recommend you play it! It's just not the story continuation that I was looking for. I'm happy waiting for a direct update to Adastra instead.
If Howly has no plans for a sequel, then based on the timeline, KHEMIA should be the finale of the series, and Amicus’s story will also conclude here. I’m not sure what you’re aiming for, but when writing a free FVN, shouldn’t the first goal be to create it for themself rather than to please others?
that is true, though I do hope for a sequel to adastra, it just feels like we dropped the main plot line is all. The human was the center of attention, and then got ripped away in Khemia. That's all I'll say. It just doesn't feel like we followed one plot line, and now there's a huge open gap that my brain will have a hard time filling.
It has actually been 3 years since Adastra took place, if I am correct. The reason it’s been just 3 years from Adastra to Khemia is due to the fact that Amicus is trying to create an alliance between Adastra and Khemia, to bring peace, which is happening as this Visual Novel progresses. As stated in Adastra by Amicus, since their relationship with the Khemians have been ultimately eradicated by the war that happened between Khemia and Adastra. (If I am not mistaken, correct me if I am.)
I do not believe we will ever get a Marco sprite or part in a CG (likely will be the faceless/half-bodyless version we’ve seen a few times in Adastra itself if introduced in a CG), because he is mostly a faceless character. Marco isn’t necessarily a character in Adastra; the character is supposed to be a self-insert of the player.
It wouldn’t make sense to have him appear as ‘Marco’ if he is the personification of the player. Most MCs don’t receive any official sprites, only unofficial art created by the artist, fanbase, or creator.
But again, that is up to the developers of Khemia if they decide to introduce Marco into this story with his own physical form.
I'm starting the story after reading Adastra and it feels fine! Kinda sad they got separated... and i'm still having the expectancy of the human coming back and loving his dear wolf forever, i hope they portray that.
As people say, i'm also disappointed by the character's changes, neferu looks more like a dog, and Amicus looks less of himself, stiff, less 3d and just like... a different wolf? also he looks less hot... i don't like this!
They could just have him portrayed him better as an emperor, intelligent and matured, and STILL looking like him, just as before. It's not like "oh guys, y'all just nostagious and used to the old artstyle and bla bla blah" erroneous and biased assumption, he just looks too different, his bodily personality (sharp eyes, defined muzzle, confident look) from before threw aside. A contrast is that Virginia is absolutely gorgeous! they made a good rework on her. Also neferu, even that i didn't really like too much of the change, he still feels like him.
Time passed in-story, but Amicus just straight changed his genes man.. atleast for me.
Furthermore, despite my hate for the new artstyle, i need to congratule this mix of politics and romance, i've never seem before, it feels intriguing as well as astonishing.
i don't get it? last game they were already physicaly fit/realistic, whatever i think you mean by it. They just got matured a little bit, and yeah, it looks nicer. not amicus whole new face though... although i'm used to it.
I beg to differ. Imo Virginia's rework is way worse than the rest, especially since her eyes aren't even in the right perspective. With Amicus I can live with but you're right; I think his overall character has changed a lot for 3 years and the artstyle just adds to that.
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oh. horribly frustrating that the entire fourth build covers only a single day, with a cliffhanger at the end. i guess i can't really be that upset since it's free and all, i just kinda hoped they'd have the momentum to make larger updates by now
Guys, don't worry about the adastra sequal, here's some trace of hint in the Khemia
Not absolutely sure that it refers to THE human tho
oh i mean it's gotta be. Meta-wise it'd be insane for them to be referring to someone we've never met. What interests me is that the uplift working is so unlikely. And in the slide after this there's an abysmal likelyhood of it happening before "arrival". Maybe that's Marco arriving back to Adastra in a few years, or maybe he's gonna arrive at Khemia. That'd be fun
yeah, I agree. The likelihood is so small and I don’t know what that means. But luckily we got some hint that there could possibly be scenarios about Marco
haven’t played the update yet, but wether this timeline is some future where humanity is Prospering? Or can somehow attain and sustain that many humans (Over two trillion Humans), why wouldn’t the devs just do somewhere in the 8. 2 billion(s) or lower,(since that’s around the current population of Earth)? That just seems so far fetched if the game is ment to be based off current Or somewhat current Real-World-Present-Day humanity if it were being integrated into sibling status (that just caught me off guard Especially if it’s possibly alluding to Marco?)
i wish Adastra time line was are time line
When it came out back in 2020, it was unpleasant to see it bashed pretty early in development and devastating for it to go on hiatus. Of course, it had its flaws and wasn't perfect, yet I eagerly awaited its return. After years, it receives a revamp with new dialogue and scenes altered to fit the current narrative. Of course, mixed opinions would arise with the art direction, and at first, it wasn't a big deal for me, per se, but the sprites are mundane as they've lost the soul Adastra had. The cgs are decent at best, with some being magnificent and the rest looking unfinished, which could be a stylistic choice Haps is going for. I especially agree with some calling the sprites very Bara-like or flat out caricatures, but my optimism remained with the plot. With the new update, I'm torn if I should continue the story at all. One of the big mysteries within Adastra consists of Neferus' backstory, primarily why he's being punished and his true intentions. With high expectations and Neferu taking center stage in Khemia, you'd believe it to be climatic or a revelation to his character and getting an understanding of him. To put it briefly, when Neferu opens up about his past for his extremist behavior, it was underwhelming.
For how much build-up we had since found out about his hardship, and for Scipio's reaction to be so disconnected from the reveal was a total letdown. Mind you, the root of Scipio's resentment with Adastran's lower class is due to their violent, uneducated, prideful habits, and it's well established how it impacts him, including the attacks that haunt him throughout his journey. With this information, you'd expect Neferu's confession to trigger some kind of distaste, feel conflicted, or even a reassessment of trust. Instead, we get “Don't worry Neferu, I'd probably do the same”, like what?? You could argue his actions were about a decade old, so it doesn't have much of an impact on Scipio, but his wounds are fresh and are integral to his trauma. Negating it would also be saying “It's been like three years, get over it”.
I've seen some arguable takes if Scipio is even a good lead, often compared to Marco, but I possibly think Howly doesn't get Scipio as a character, as it consists of him not being put in a specific direction. If I'm going to be honest, there's so much more I could add as to why this scene irked me, even outside the topic, but this is the straw that broke the camels for me.
I do partially agree, I love all the sprites apart from Amicus’s which seems to flat in my opinion.
But in my opinion, I think the reason Scipio says “Don’t worry I’d do the same” is a partially because as stated in the story, he’s mostly been told just to “man up”. Though I do feel like a bit of resentment or at least mixed feelings about Nefuru should have been sparked in Scipio.
I do have my own gripes, like how Scipio in some lines seems a bit overly sterile, with little to no character in some lines. But overall I’m personally happy with the story as it is so far.
Yea, the sprites were a sincere downgrade from the first game, if I could say that some escaped, it would only be Nefero and Cassius, but only a little.
I think that just putting the sprites from the first game for Amicus would be enough
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why am I not getting notifications on feed about TheEchoProject VNs???
I had to find out about this through Twitter
So its not just me!
same
It's ridiculous, honestly. The whole credit card censors or whatever
I suggest joining the fan discord server, as their pretty quick to ping everyone when the Patreon and public releases are out.
Except I have been having this problem long before the whole credit card situation, like, for a year at least
and it only happens with The Echo Project
The last update of anything TEP I got was the final Arches release in October of last year
Glory Hounds pocket edition 2 and issue 4; A Role to Play builds 4 and 5; Khemia rework and builds 2 to 4
I wasn't notified of any of it through Itchio's feed
I had to find out either through Twitter, Reddit, or a YouTube Let's Play
FINALLY! BUILD 4! I CAN NOW CRY MORE READING THIS VN YAAAAAAAAAY-!
Doing my hw and going to work is going to be so hard knowing there's a new build for me to play !!!
KHEMIA BUILD 4 IS FINALLY OUT, RAAAAGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!! CanNOT wait to read this build tomorrow!!!
no way this vn has being on hold for so long i forgot it existed but it came back eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee im so exited though i wish astara had a part 2 to it as i would have loved to see my boy amicus with his hubby
I think Khemia is a reality check for the Adastra universe. I had this romantisized idea of the Galaxias after playing Adastra, but I love that the Echo Project has taken a different approach with Khemia. As a guy I've always wanted to be in the place of Marco in Adastra, but I never considered what that would be like for a woman in Adastran society and I am glad that Khemia explores that flaw. I thought that the Alliance with the Khemians would be very straight forward especally since Amicus is friends with one of the sons of the Pharaoh. However, the suspiciously advanced Khemian-built tech and classified information that even the son of the Pharaoh isn't allowed to know, again emphasises the complex politics and shatters that romanticised image I had of the Adastra Universe as a whole. Thank you Echo Project for creating such a captivating piece of fiction and art <3!
Now that build 4 is out on patreon, when will it be released on here. Because I only have the free plan on Patreon and I really want to read the next par
I think it might be here in 2 months or less
Fingers crossed for less. It's driving me crazy that it's out and I can't read i
I wonder if there are any issues with dropping the next build, with the payment processor problems recently. Is the next build going to be uploaded here or downloadable from Patreon? Or is the itch launcher required to run the VN, which is causing issues? Am looking forward to the next public release build!
Sadly, I dont think i will personally be playing Khemia at all. Looking at the story and plot lines, it would appear as though we are no longer following, well, literally us. Now, I'm not brandishing this game at all, and I recommend you play it! It's just not the story continuation that I was looking for. I'm happy waiting for a direct update to Adastra instead.
If Howly has no plans for a sequel, then based on the timeline, KHEMIA should be the finale of the series, and Amicus’s story will also conclude here. I’m not sure what you’re aiming for, but when writing a free FVN, shouldn’t the first goal be to create it for themself rather than to please others?
that is true, though I do hope for a sequel to adastra, it just feels like we dropped the main plot line is all. The human was the center of attention, and then got ripped away in Khemia. That's all I'll say. It just doesn't feel like we followed one plot line, and now there's a huge open gap that my brain will have a hard time filling.
I love the new CGs, it shows their actual physique, and I don't like where this is heading.....
A year has already passed when it transitioned from khemia to adastra???
it's nearing to almost 8 years in the game, we getting Marco CG soon???
To answer your questions:
It has actually been 3 years since Adastra took place, if I am correct. The reason it’s been just 3 years from Adastra to Khemia is due to the fact that Amicus is trying to create an alliance between Adastra and Khemia, to bring peace, which is happening as this Visual Novel progresses. As stated in Adastra by Amicus, since their relationship with the Khemians have been ultimately eradicated by the war that happened between Khemia and Adastra. (If I am not mistaken, correct me if I am.)
I do not believe we will ever get a Marco sprite or part in a CG (likely will be the faceless/half-bodyless version we’ve seen a few times in Adastra itself if introduced in a CG), because he is mostly a faceless character. Marco isn’t necessarily a character in Adastra; the character is supposed to be a self-insert of the player.
It wouldn’t make sense to have him appear as ‘Marco’ if he is the personification of the player. Most MCs don’t receive any official sprites, only unofficial art created by the artist, fanbase, or creator.
But again, that is up to the developers of Khemia if they decide to introduce Marco into this story with his own physical form.
Is the story of this complete, or is it still a WIP?
WIP, it's why it's to be continued
I'm starting the story after reading Adastra and it feels fine! Kinda sad they got separated... and i'm still having the expectancy of the human coming back and loving his dear wolf forever, i hope they portray that.
As people say, i'm also disappointed by the character's changes, neferu looks more like a dog, and Amicus looks less of himself, stiff, less 3d and just like... a different wolf? also he looks less hot... i don't like this!
They could just have him portrayed him better as an emperor, intelligent and matured, and STILL looking like him, just as before. It's not like "oh guys, y'all just nostagious and used to the old artstyle and bla bla blah" erroneous and biased assumption, he just looks too different, his bodily personality (sharp eyes, defined muzzle, confident look) from before threw aside. A contrast is that Virginia is absolutely gorgeous! they made a good rework on her. Also neferu, even that i didn't really like too much of the change, he still feels like him.
Time passed in-story, but Amicus just straight changed his genes man.. atleast for me.
Furthermore, despite my hate for the new artstyle, i need to congratule this mix of politics and romance, i've never seem before, it feels intriguing as well as astonishing.
I'm still looking forward for the new story.
I kinda like the new sprites, it shows their actual physique or something close to that
i don't get it? last game they were already physicaly fit/realistic, whatever i think you mean by it. They just got matured a little bit, and yeah, it looks nicer. not amicus whole new face though... although i'm used to it.
I beg to differ. Imo Virginia's rework is way worse than the rest, especially since her eyes aren't even in the right perspective. With Amicus I can live with but you're right; I think his overall character has changed a lot for 3 years and the artstyle just adds to that.
Does anyone have any idea when the 4th Khemia build will be released
From my understanding it could potentially be released on Patreon either today or tomorrow but I dont wanna get anyone's hopes up.
Too late. I've been looking every day for the past 5 days. You lied to me! 😩
Have faith 😭