I will never turn my back on this VN. this in my third favorite vn, and Adastra is my second, because I put Remember the flowers first, but none the less i will always love it.
I find this kind of hilarious. Back then, you all kept going on about something like eternal love, saying you'd be willing to wait 8 years for that. And now? Not even a year into the game, and some of you have lost interest just because the sprites changed styles already?
And one thing, have you ever stopped to think about why Amicus et al. look different from Scipio’s perspective compared to the human’s? Whether the Parent affecting the human’s or Scipio’s cognition? Or both?
The tags include psychological horror there, so I’d say this extent of speculation is well reason.
That's what I was thinking. It makes perfect sense why Amicus would appear "stiff" and "intimidating" when in the presence of anyone but his human lover (especially the Khemians); not only is he the emperor of an intergalactic empire but he's also the face of the weakest sibling in the Galaxias. It's been 3 years since the events of Adastra and after the horrors Amicus witnessed (his imprisonment, attempted assassination on his brother, Cato's coup, the riots, death of Marco and Alexios's infiltration in the royal family) I find it completely reasonable to assume that he's matured since then now that he's taken on the responsibility of being the progressive emperor to an otherwise traditionalist empire. But that's just my 2 cents.
The new sprites are really lovely and feel like a fresh start. Compared to the old ones, there's definitely a huge improvement, they look more professional in a way. Nostalgia is clearly blinding a lot of people. It actually reminds me of how Miraculous fans still argue about the new designs in Season 6, lol. The only thing I’d say is that they need more gestures, but I’m sure that’s something they’ll work on in future builds. I’ve already seen they added more gestures to Amicus’s sprites. But I'll say it again, the new character designs are GORGEOUS, I won't get tired of saying it or expressing how much I love these changes, and I'm also loving where the story is heading.
this vn is great and all, but i still can't hide my disappointment with the new sprites, it's eating me while i go through the story, i would've had drew them myself if i had the chance. i'm not saying it's bad it's just so different from what we're used to, for example amicus's sprite in interea was so great, i wish if they went with it.
The artist ended the visual identity created in Adastra and Interea, for the simple reason he wanted to.
This sounds ridiculous, the visual novel is not his entirely personal work for this decision to be ok, he is just the artist paid for it, now the art has just turned into a generic Bara, and some CGs were horrible, if I hadn't seen the original I wouldn't even have understood what that was supposed to be.
I had loved the visual upgrade that Khemia had in relation to Adastra, after what happened with Smoke Room in the final stretch of the project, + this abrupt change in Khemia's look, without a decent explanation other than "I'm sad to draw in this style, so I'm going to change it!" made me very unhappy with Echo Project in general, years waiting for updates for something that simply made me completely lose interest in the project. And no, it's not just that Bara has become generic, Adastra's cartoon art can also be considered generic, but it took two games to create an artistic style for such a sudden change to be made.
But it took two games to create an artistic style for such a sudden change to be made. If it were a completely new visual novel with no connection to Adastra, I wouldn't have any problem with the look, but they simply changed the entire look of the universe that I was attached to. Almost everything, the blatantly ugly scenarios remain, what a shame. They changed what was good to something bad, and what could be improved remains the same ugly.
"I'm sad to draw in this style, so I'm going to change it!" Is a very shitty and minimizing way to summarize what Haps said, downplays what he's been dealing with and it makes you look like an insensitive asshole.
I would say it's a pretty accurate summary, since he didn't even want to bother talking about it in more depth, and that's okay, it's his privacy. Unfortunately, the damage to the work has already been done for me and some others, I'm even sad that most people didn't care much about this change, but I doubt they would go back on it even if it had more repercussions. Simply regrettable and disappointing, I literally feel betrayed by the time I waited in the dark to receive this. 🐤
I'm really loving the redesigns. I honestly think a lot of the criticisms surrounding the new sprites just boils down to personal preference for most people. They're not the traditional chibi designs from Adastra and previous builds which I'm sure throws a lot of people off. But overall I think they're a huge improvement.
Had to make an account but the delay is because of the artist or idk if its the developer OR creator? I heard Haps is going on a break for mental health reasons
No, it's not canceled from what I can tell. Currently, build 3 for the patreons was released 14 days ago, and if it was actually cancelled I would expect more communication on something that big for a project.
Though it is worrying that it's been a while with no updates. Moreover, the only mention for public release was in a now-deleted public Patreon post around 18 days ago on May 5.
It said "The public version of the third build will be released sometime in the first half of this month" (I was excited and screenshotted it), which is (obviously) now way past the first half. But seeing that it's deleted, my best guess now would be around June 8, assuming they want to wait a whole month after the Patreon release.
yeah. Not only were we told it’d be released (in a now deleted Patreon post) it’d be released around now, but it’s not here and there’s been no communication about it. id just like a solid answer about if we’re going to be getting it or not..
However, I can't seem to find the post anymore and I think it was deleted. So let's just hope it's still true, which would be in a few days if they stick to the "first half of this month" thing.
Very much enjoying the story so far and seeing a continuation from Adastra's politics. A bit of a side tangent, but Scipio is a lovely character (and so damn adorable too...) and I am very excited to see how he develops as a protagonist.
It's not bad overall, I still have hopes for the plot to be good as I know this world is diverse enough to contrast with alot of other concepts and I'm sure we're all wondering how this plot is going to play out
I'm curious to see if Marco's mission will affect our characters and the world itself, I'd really like to see the connection with Adastra and Khemia as a continuation of our favourite love couple, that's all I want really 😭
I'm not a huge fan of the character redesigns, Amicus looks like a stiff animatronic which is very eerie to me as only his facial expressions moves but not anything else, it doesn't give off the same charismatic Amicus I know from Adastra which is a bit of a bummer, to put it lightly, I hope there's more movement for that authentic experience that I found in Adastra
Everything else is pretty beautiful I must say, quite the advancement for the last 2 games but it's falling a little, I still have hopes though from the future updates we're going to get 🙏
I hope what we have now isn't Amicus's final look, he looks... stiff, almost two-dimensional, facing forwards like that, but Brunis's new design looks absolutely fantastic, and the new CGs are just as incredible as the old ones. The energy in Neferu's poses is great, too.
I really hope I don't come across as negative - I have nothing but faith in everyone involved in the project, and I'm really excited for what comes next!
I will say Amicus is a bit stiff, but nonetheless is an amazing drawing of him!! And I agree, I did recently look back at some of the CGs that got redeisgned and like ofmg its so much better.
like the difference between the old and new CG for the reflection one is like night and day like my god. (I love both, but it was a massive improvement)
I think that it should be coming out soon since the Patreons get a build a month before a public release. The Patreon build came out March 11, so I suspect April 20 for the public release (both for the 4/20 joke and that's a full 31 days after Patreon Release).
I'm waiting for that email that there was a Khemia update!
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I'm loving the CGs
I will never turn my back on this VN. this in my third favorite vn, and Adastra is my second, because I put Remember the flowers first, but none the less i will always love it.
I find this kind of hilarious. Back then, you all kept going on about something like eternal love, saying you'd be willing to wait 8 years for that. And now? Not even a year into the game, and some of you have lost interest just because the sprites changed styles already?
And one thing, have you ever stopped to think about why Amicus et al. look different from Scipio’s perspective compared to the human’s? Whether the Parent affecting the human’s or Scipio’s cognition? Or both?
The tags include psychological horror there, so I’d say this extent of speculation is well reason.
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That's what I was thinking. It makes perfect sense why Amicus would appear "stiff" and "intimidating" when in the presence of anyone but his human lover (especially the Khemians); not only is he the emperor of an intergalactic empire but he's also the face of the weakest sibling in the Galaxias. It's been 3 years since the events of Adastra and after the horrors Amicus witnessed (his imprisonment, attempted assassination on his brother, Cato's coup, the riots, death of Marco and Alexios's infiltration in the royal family) I find it completely reasonable to assume that he's matured since then now that he's taken on the responsibility of being the progressive emperor to an otherwise traditionalist empire. But that's just my 2 cents.
The new sprites are really lovely and feel like a fresh start. Compared to the old ones, there's definitely a huge improvement, they look more professional in a way. Nostalgia is clearly blinding a lot of people. It actually reminds me of how Miraculous fans still argue about the new designs in Season 6, lol. The only thing I’d say is that they need more gestures, but I’m sure that’s something they’ll work on in future builds. I’ve already seen they added more gestures to Amicus’s sprites. But I'll say it again, the new character designs are GORGEOUS, I won't get tired of saying it or expressing how much I love these changes, and I'm also loving where the story is heading.
this vn is great and all, but i still can't hide my disappointment with the new sprites, it's eating me while i go through the story, i would've had drew them myself if i had the chance. i'm not saying it's bad it's just so different from what we're used to, for example amicus's sprite in interea was so great, i wish if they went with it.
Excited Noises
I LOVED the new update! Loved Aya and (finally) getting to see Khemia, and I'm looking forward to the next update
Story, getting better and the changes too?
I wonder if adastra & interea are gettin' some juicy one's if you know what I mean.
A gift from the furgods
My patience is rewarded
Woo.. :D
NEWWW BuILD!!!!
The artist ended the visual identity created in Adastra and Interea, for the simple reason he wanted to.
This sounds ridiculous, the visual novel is not his entirely personal work for this decision to be ok, he is just the artist paid for it, now the art has just turned into a generic Bara, and some CGs were horrible, if I hadn't seen the original I wouldn't even have understood what that was supposed to be.
I had loved the visual upgrade that Khemia had in relation to Adastra, after what happened with Smoke Room in the final stretch of the project, + this abrupt change in Khemia's look, without a decent explanation other than "I'm sad to draw in this style, so I'm going to change it!" made me very unhappy with Echo Project in general, years waiting for updates for something that simply made me completely lose interest in the project. And no, it's not just that Bara has become generic, Adastra's cartoon art can also be considered generic, but it took two games to create an artistic style for such a sudden change to be made.
But it took two games to create an artistic style for such a sudden change to be made. If it were a completely new visual novel with no connection to Adastra, I wouldn't have any problem with the look, but they simply changed the entire look of the universe that I was attached to. Almost everything, the blatantly ugly scenarios remain, what a shame. They changed what was good to something bad, and what could be improved remains the same ugly.
In the end, that's my opinion. T:
"I'm sad to draw in this style, so I'm going to change it!" Is a very shitty and minimizing way to summarize what Haps said, downplays what he's been dealing with and it makes you look like an insensitive asshole.
I would say it's a pretty accurate summary, since he didn't even want to bother talking about it in more depth, and that's okay, it's his privacy. Unfortunately, the damage to the work has already been done for me and some others, I'm even sad that most people didn't care much about this change, but I doubt they would go back on it even if it had more repercussions. Simply regrettable and disappointing, I literally feel betrayed by the time I waited in the dark to receive this. 🐤
please help to cotribue to the fanwiki
https://echoproject.fandom.com/wiki/Khemia_(Visual_Novel)
there is definetly a issue with itchio's update feed
the last two updates of Glory Hounds didn't show up on my feed and neither did this update right now
I literally screamed when I saw the update just now! Omg I know what I'm doing tomorrow! Thank you soooooo much for continuing this!
lol same, I just straight up read it all in 4 hours 😭
I'm really loving the redesigns. I honestly think a lot of the criticisms surrounding the new sprites just boils down to personal preference for most people. They're not the traditional chibi designs from Adastra and previous builds which I'm sure throws a lot of people off. But overall I think they're a huge improvement.
Had to make an account but the delay is because of the artist or idk if its the developer OR creator? I heard Haps is going on a break for mental health reasons
Devs in discord have said that they're finishing QA stuff and that the public build should be out very soon
maybe it was canceled. i did hear some hate going around about the different art style maybe it put them off it TwT
What? No . . . I'm not a fan of it either, but I'm so invested with the story.
I like both was just saying what I heard
I doubt they would cancel it
yeah, they obviously wouldn't, it's just a matter of time :)
No, it's not canceled from what I can tell. Currently, build 3 for the patreons was released 14 days ago, and if it was actually cancelled I would expect more communication on something that big for a project.
Though it is worrying that it's been a while with no updates. Moreover, the only mention for public release was in a now-deleted public Patreon post around 18 days ago on May 5.
It said "The public version of the third build will be released sometime in the first half of this month" (I was excited and screenshotted it), which is (obviously) now way past the first half. But seeing that it's deleted, my best guess now would be around June 8, assuming they want to wait a whole month after the Patreon release.
Okay, seriously, what's the hold-up?
It's been 2 months since build 2 has been out on Patreon, and almost a week since they released build 3
yeah. Not only were we told it’d be released (in a now deleted Patreon post) it’d be released around now, but it’s not here and there’s been no communication about it.
id just like a solid answer about if we’re going to be getting it or not..
Part 2/chapter 2 (however you want to refer to it) should be coming out soon. Saw something on their patron
Mhmm, it did.
However, I can't seem to find the post anymore and I think it was deleted. So let's just hope it's still true, which would be in a few days if they stick to the "first half of this month" thing.
maybe not, I bet it'll be at the end of this month, but I do hope I'm wrong lol
Very much enjoying the story so far and seeing a continuation from Adastra's politics. A bit of a side tangent, but Scipio is a lovely character (and so damn adorable too...) and I am very excited to see how he develops as a protagonist.
My general review of Khemia:
Everything else is pretty beautiful I must say, quite the advancement for the last 2 games but it's falling a little, I still have hopes though from the future updates we're going to get 🙏
Listen to our pleads and feed us well
They're really taking their time with this one, aren't they?
Fr, but I just know that it'll pop out of nowhere when we least expect it, and that excites me lol, let's just have hope and patience 🙏
I was hoping it'd be out last month, but my idea is maybe this month since Glory Hounds released a new chapter last month
I hope what we have now isn't Amicus's final look, he looks... stiff, almost two-dimensional, facing forwards like that, but Brunis's new design looks absolutely fantastic, and the new CGs are just as incredible as the old ones. The energy in Neferu's poses is great, too.
I really hope I don't come across as negative - I have nothing but faith in everyone involved in the project, and I'm really excited for what comes next!
I agree, while I'm not a fan of the redsigns, they won't hinder me
I will say Amicus is a bit stiff, but nonetheless is an amazing drawing of him!! And I agree, I did recently look back at some of the CGs that got redeisgned and like ofmg its so much better.
like the difference between the old and new CG for the reflection one is like night and day like my god. (I love both, but it was a massive improvement)
Yeah!
I'm wondering if I should play intera or this first any suggestions
Nvm I finally did my research
can't wait for chapter two!
fr, I keep checking this page daily lol
I think that it should be coming out soon since the Patreons get a build a month before a public release. The Patreon build came out March 11, so I suspect April 20 for the public release (both for the 4/20 joke and that's a full 31 days after Patreon Release).
I'm waiting for that email that there was a Khemia update!
March 11 to April 20 is 41 days not 31
oops
nvm that, I'm just happy they are continuing the story, and finally updating interea and khemia :D
*sits waiting, twiddling my thumbs until we finally get to land on Khemai*