oh my god. I have to say that this visual novel is one of the best that I have read!!! It’s story and different potential plots keeps me extremely interested! I must say that I did wonder if there is nsfw art in it. But it’s not a big issue. I have to ask about the story though. When the novel is fully complete would you have like a full story of everything? I’d love to figure out if there is like a true ending. Also, your game incorporates a nice choice in the beginning that lets you choose if you are bi or not. Most novels start out with a certain relationship in mind. But I love the choice!! I hope you have a lot of story for Jenna too! I’m so excited for the next update! Keep up the great work!
Only the Jenna route is still in development, the others are basically finished. The creators has said that there won't be a complete/true story, at least not in Echo, since they have plans for a direct sequel (Arches) that follows on from Flynn's route - but they've also said that all the routes are considered canon so I don't know how that will work.
In the meantime you can play The Smoke Room for more information and lore. It gives you quite a lot of details which you can use to piece together the mystery.
Also, you actually don't get to chose being bi or not, not really. If you chose gay, Chase will say that he doesn't feel like explaining his sexuality and that saying anything else confuses people, implying that he is still bi but just chooses not to say it. This is one of the reasons I love Echo so much: unlike most other VNs, you are not Chase, Chase is his own person with his own past and ideals. All you are doing is influencing Chase's decisions, not making them for him.
I think it's a mix bc I could find the origins of some songs (i.e. the main theme, Awkward Meeting, Sunrise Without You, This Lingering Hope), but I couldn't find the origins of others (Reckoning, Argument, Crime Slow, Jenna's Theme), and I know some songs are definitely made specifically for the vn (Theme for a Lonely Wolf, When Your Arms Were Around Me)
A lot of it is royalty free music but there are also a number of original tracks, mainly from Abyuse and Moe. Moe also works on the music for Khemia and TSR.
wow thank you very much I didn't even ask for the names of the artists I was more than anything curious bc i heard some song on a random yt video, now this is good hospitality, you're all awesome <3
So i just finished flynns route and... what the hell?? I actually have no idea what the end means and i dont know if anyone has any idea. I mean, i suppose that he dreamwalked to the mine and meanwhile he was having those allucinations but they just seem so nonsense. Is there any theory of what could have happend?
From what I can tell and what others have said around the internet, I think it goes like this.
Spoiler!
Flynn started hallucinating when him, Carl and Daxton where at the lake, he could no longer see them. He mentions feeling like someone was tugging on his shirt, that was the other two trying to get his attention. He thinks he went to the smoke room, but he really went to the mine. An evil entity posing as Sydney entered his mind and led him into a fire in the mine. He gets all burned up and Carl and Daxton see him! The entity takes him through time where he loses more of his body until he becomes the monster! If you saw the ending image, thats all thats left of Flynn. He became undead under the control of the evil within Echo.
I could be off, but thats how it seemed to me, very tragic...
Whether or not the entity is evil is up to debate. It could also be interpreted as the entity has absorbed Sydney before and now is absorbing Flynn. Why this is the case is not clear. But we do see that Flynn sometimes can make his own decision as the socket monster, so it could be interpreted that the entity needed Flynn to help it protect Jenna and/or oppose the other eviler entities.
Yeah, I don't claim to know for sure. It is really weird and kinda confusing what happens! And yeah I forgot that Flynn still has some control sometimes.
I'm sorry if you need trasnlate this, but my english is a shit.
Este juego hasta donde llevo avanzado, me ha estado gustando mucho, pero también sería genial si agregaran más idiomas como el español, ya que al menos en mi caso puede que no me entere de algunas cosas que puedan ser importantes.
Y hasta ahora me vengo a enterar que es un juego de terror, ya que cuando lo descargué no llegué a ver en la descripción algo referente a ello (fue en una página externa) por lo que ahora, junto con los comentarios que leí, al menos estaré preparado para lo que venga (junto con el traductor de mi teléfono para no perderme tanto).
Me impresiona que este juego esté disponible gratis en tantas plataformas, hasta donde voy actualmente (quién sabe en qué ruta) todo se ve genial y va genial. Solo que en algunos puntos al momento de ingresar al juego se desconfigura la app y se cambia del inglés al chino (creo que eso es) de ahí en fuera no he notado algún otro bug, desde la última vez que lo jugué hace meses.
No creo ni que sabiendo que es un juego de terror estés preparado para lo que te espera... buena suerte xd
Y coincido en que deberían de añadir mas idiomas como el español pues a veces tengo que buscar la traducción de algunas palabras y se rompe la magia, además que el español es uno de los idiomas mas hablado del mundo y por ello me parece que vale la pena, así sería mas conocido.
Doesn't have nudity so far, the most I've seen is characters in their underwear. The R18+ is probs less about porn (though there are some written-only sexy times but overall they're few and far between) and more about the darker themes the devs probs feel aren't appropriate for minors:
"Echo contains themes of an adult nature, including violence, torture, drug usage, and harsh language - you must be 18 or older to play."
I don´t think so, even though in the images on the image files of the game are nude sprites, I didn´t saw them in the game (I haven´t played all routes yet, but yeah)
You open the main folder of the game, click on the folder that says Images. A ton of images will appear, and you can see them, becareful cause some of them has spoilers.
I would like that in Jenna's route if we say that if we are gay Leo and Chase we would be a couple again, I understand that it is Jenna's route but regardless of everything in my opinion Leo really loves Chase (although somewhat obsessive), so it would be great if they could end up together again on this route or not end in goodbye forever, both ends of Leo's route left me heartbroken.
I want to see that too! It would make sense for that to happen!
Leo's route endings really made me sad! Like I get that he has some big problems, but underneath he's a really great and loving guy! If Chase had been smart and tried to comfort and calm Leo, they could have been together forever!
I wrote my own Leo ending and have it online if you want to read.
No offense but how can some readers miss the point of Leo's route so badly? It read like a reality check on how dangerous sticking around in toxic relationships, staying with a mentally ill person and not moving on can be. Echo is not a happy dating sim where years' worth of emotional and mental issues can be fixed with love. If you want that, then look elsewhere because you'll get your heart broken again and again.
Understatement of the century! It's not something cute like plain ol' love, Leo has a psychotic obsession. Yes, people want to blame Echo (the town) but both in Leo's and Jenna's route, the game makes it crystal clear that Leo had all those issues (like a laundry list of common abusive/toxic traits) but Echo just amplified them. Leo is bound to stay toxic even if he and Chase left Echo- Leo's dismissive of psychiatric care so forget therapy or couples counseling. Leo has proper mental issues that lurve will not fix, in fact, him clinging on "love" made him worse.
Take it easy man, it was just an opinion and although I agree with you, keep in mind that Leo during his route does not recognize or realize that he has a problem, it is until one of his ends when he realizes that he has that . In Jenna's route is when Leo finally realizes, it is the first step to treat a problem and if there are people with PTSD (which can last up to a lifetime) who have managed to overcome this disease then I do not see why Leo should not . And sorry if my English is bad, it is not my native language.
First of all, your English is not bad at all so don't apologize or worry about it. Second, I'm not intending to sound mad, this is a discussion among fans- I probably sound harsher since you can't hear my tone of voice.
Anyway, it's not that I think Leo can't get better. The problem is Leo doesn't believe in getting help because he's stubborn and proud. Yes, it's true that in Jenna's route, he at least admits his faults and that's important.
You used PTSD as an example. People who learn to manage their PTSD get professional help and at some point admit they need it. While Leo doesn't have PTSD (some people think he's a psychopath but I disagree with that too), he hasn't started with the important step yet and that is admitting his troubled behavior is a problem he can't deal with on his own. Maybe he will, maybe he won't.
I can't see how Leo could ever have a healthy relationship with Chase, given that Chase is the reason Leo went insane. Even if Leo got help, it will never be the same again. Especially in Jenna's route so far, where Chase is developing feelings for Jenna and is now put off by Leo's toxic behavior. Chase doesn't give mixed signals anymore. It's sad but they won't work and forcing them to work is wasting the point Leo's route was trying to make.
Hey there! I have to say that after going through it again and thinking about it, that I do understand Leo's route ending now. I see how Leo has truly series problems and that maybe he and Chase could never be together again. But I still find it sad that Leo has to have all that emotional pain for two years and possibly a lot more! Also the ending made it seem that he would never find someone to love again, and he might never be happy again for a very long time! I get that it showed its best to let go of a toxic relationship, but I actually really liked Leo and it would be nice if he has a happier ending somehow!
Heya! It's understandable, Echo is one of those games you could read through three more times and probably find something new. Like I said before, I understand where the Leo fans are coming from but yes I passionately believe it's for the best that Leo and Chase never end up back together. Plus Echo is not the game to look for happy endings lol. I think us fans having mixed opinions about Leo just shows how well Echo's writers did with him. It's hard to make a guy like him sympathetic but they did it!
I just finished every route for Echo, all of route 65, and all of the current build for The Smoke Room. I can't even keep track of how much time it took, but probably like 35 hours in total. It's really amazing that all this quality content is available for free.
I would highly highly recommend playing Route 65 and The Smoke Room before playing Echo. They made my playthroughs that much more intense. The order I played through everything was Leo -> The Smoke Room -> Route 65 -> Flynn -> Carl -> TJ -> Jenna.
If I were to recommend an order to play it would be: The Smoke Room -> Route 65 -> Carl -> Leo -> Jenna -> TJ -> Flynn
Leo's route was probably the most gut-wrenching. Like I felt sick after finishing it and I couldn't start the next route until a few days later. Which is wonderful for a horror game. Unfortunately, I just was not satisfied with the ending, it felt very quick and I was like, oh, that's it?
Flynn's route had to be hands-down my favorite. The ending just had me in complete constant full-body chills. It was extremely intense. Definitely recommend playing this after all the other routes.
Carl's was pretty good. The most unique of all the routes I'd say. It shares the least amount of story with the other routes, so that's why I recommend it first. I wasn't a fan of Raven though, he just annoyed me whenever he spoke.
TJ's route was the least enjoyable for me, unfortunately. I don't want to be rude, but this one felt kind of unfinished. Or like it was still in the drafting phase. And Julien was like an even more annoying version of Raven lol. Although I really enjoyed how Chase's character evolved and the ending.
Jenna's route is a close second to Flynn's. So many super super creepy moments giving me full-body chills. I was so stunned and creeped out that it started making me emotional, like I was feeling sensory overload or something. It was very intense. This one is filled to the brim with references to Route 65 and TSR.
Anyway, thank you TheEchoProject for making this game and releasing it for free. I really really enjoyed it. I can't wait for the future updates to Echo and TSR!
I'd recommend new players to play TJ's route first though. It only really works if you play it first because (as someone who played it first) all the way through it forces you to think about what kind of horror story it is, whether the voices are real, and the plot twist at the end is very satisfying without being tipped off by the other routes.
I suppose. I think it could go either way. In my playthroughs, I always had this lingering doubt about what really happened. Was it Chase? Was it socketman? Was it a possessed Chase? Was it something entirely different? And it finally gets resolved in TJ's route. But if you play TJ first then you don't have that mystery/suspense factor anymore. But I also understand the shock value of the twist is probably a lot greater if you play his route first.
I'd say that there still is the mystery/suspense factor if you play TJ first. In this case, the question isn't about whether it was Chase who killed Sydney, but it becomes a question of who wrote the letter and treasure hunt. After playing the other routes, we know that multiple monsters exist within Echo and so every time something supernatural happens we, the reader, just blame the monsters. But since they aren't explored in TJ's route, my suspicion bounced around between Carl, Flynn, TJ, and even Chase himself. So it was very surprising to learn that I had failed to consider the possibility of Sydney (as the socket monster) or another monster being the author of the letter. And it made me immediately want to go back and try other choices and routes to see if I can learn more about the monsters.
It's never made clear who wrote it, but it definitely wasn't Flynn since Flynn didn't recognize the real final letter when Chase showed it at the lake. Chase only made the fake letter. Therefore I speculate that it's likely created by one of the mysterious Echo entities, which would explain why the letter could look old and is written in Sydney's style but touched on evens after his death.
afaik there's only one Flynn ending, and the reason it's not clear is because from what I understand they're planning to follow up the route with the next VN in the series called Arches
I can't seem to find the new art that's included in update 52? the one where chase says "you're asking me to choose" nor the conversation , is it in a future update instead?
At some point in Flynn's route, you can find a framed picture but you can actually find 3 different ones, does anyone know how to get the second one out of the 3? (second one that appears when you click on the picture in the gallery and then click again). I already have the others.
Depends on if you decide to talk with Dex or Leo, a different one will be there, I tried a few different things to try and get the one I'm missing but I can't find the right thing.
I played it and it is... Hmm, How can I say this, a bit chilly and nerving, however intriguing. But sadly, I only played it half through, I got some project coming that needs storing and Echo takes up a lot of space so I have to Uninstall it at the meantime.. But I'll download it back soon, in the meantime.. IT IS what they said it is! And I loved it, although I was confused of Leo, a wolf? He is? I kinda thought of him as just a hunky fox or just a plain orange canine.. Anyways, totally worth it and I difinitely recommend this for those who wants their hearts broken.
I just finished Echo a few minutes ago after about 6-8 hours of playtime. I kind of have mixed feelings about it, but I'm mostly happy with my experience. I would give my playthrough an 8/10.
I'm seeing in the other comments that every character seems to have their own route, and I haven't even seen half of the screenshots on this page during my playthrough. I played through Leo's route, but I'm excited to try the others!
Positives: The writing is superb as I've come to expect from EchoProject. The spookiness and tension are really effective. It's a real "page-turner". I felt like the characters were all interesting and unique with their own personalities. In VN's, a lot of the time the choices don't really change a whole lot, but in this game, it seems like your choices have a really big impact. The illustrations are incredible. There are parts of my playthrough that made me sick to my stomach, which is really great for a horror story. The music and sound effects are really nicely used. The UI is also really unique and clearly a lot of effort when into it.
Criticisms: I wasn't really "satisfied" with the ending I got, unfortunately. And I felt like there were a lot of questions and interesting things brought up, but that never got answered/resolved. The game being in 480p took some time to get used to. I didn't mind the fact that the backgrounds just seemed to be real photos with a painterly filter on them, but it did take away some of my emersion when the background lighting did not match the time of day as it was described in the text, Leo's bedroom being one of the biggest culprits. Also, like 3/4 into the game, I started seeing a lot of spelling mistakes.
Comparing this to Adastra is not really possible, and I've only done one playthrough of Echo, so my opinion might change later. I'd say in terms of atmosphere, this game is stronger.
trust me... you're gonna love the rest of the routes. if you haven't done route 65, do so BEFORE jenna and flynn's routes !! it's optional for TJ and Carl's, but is really good to have finished before Jenna and TJ's :]
All routes in the game are either bittersweet or straight up depressing...there are no “true” happy endings. I mean Jenna’s route isn’t finished so who knows?
Not really? It’s stated that the only ones who are still friends are Chase, Leo, and Jenna. As the others have stopped talking to each other completely.
I think Leo is one of the tamer routes. For new players I always recommending starting with TJ's route first. Flynn's route is also very interesting, and a good followup to TJ's route.
What part of getting manipulated, kidnapped, tortured, and (depending on which choice you make) getting your legs ripped off by a speeding train defines Leo’s route being “tame?”
It's because of all of those things that make it tame. Those events make it hard for the reader to relate and therefore the psychological side of the horror is a lot downplayed here. I love Echo because of the psychological horror and unlike the other routes Leo's route is almost regular horror (which don't really scare me at all). It also doesn't involve the Echo mysteries much compared to the other routes, so if you play it first it doesn't give you that itch to replay the other routes to figure out the entire mystery.
This is one hell of a VN, really lingers with you. I noticed some typos in the route I'm playing, if you're interested in going over them. Otherwise, an amazing piece of work!
They reached their goal on Patreon to hire an editor, so I'll leave that up to them. Whatever little quirks I noticed didn't distract from an amazing story, and I still have most of the branches left to go.
God.. I still haven't played this game yet and it's been a week since.. But don't worry, I have intentions of playing it soon.. The only problem with me is that, I still can't move on from ADASTRA!
can someone help TwT. I am desperate to cure my illness.
Quick question, does this game have LGBTQ+ characters/romances? Just to be clear I am not asking because I would have an issue if it does, I actually am hoping that it has some of these since I enjoy the inclusivity.
I just went through Leo's route again, and even though I understand the ending better and the point and moral of it... I can't help it, just too sad!
(spoiler)
I know Leo was being a total jerk by lying to everyone and manipulating Chase, but in the epilogue he's been so hurt and crying everyday for almost two years! He has no plans or ambitions, he's just living. It seems the reason he wasn't suicidal was because he hopes Chase might visit him someday. Like I get that his obsession was not healthy and led him to become dangerous but it seems like he could never find love again and will carry deep grief and depression for many years if not the rest of his life! Also even though Chase says he will visit again, it's very unlikely as he's moving like across the country! When my childhood friend moved just fifty miles away, I was never able to visit him! I get what the ending means and the point of it, but it's so sad that I'm writing Leo ending c and do intend to try pitching it to Echo project if I am satisfied with how it turns out! Given how lonely my life is, if someone I was attracted to became obsessed with me it would a be truly strong temptation to just go with it!
Jenna is awesomeeee. XD Your stories are truly breathtaking! I love Aedestra. Wish there could be a sequel. You really know how to make it great. I love the story and the plot. It really is so good that good stories are continuing! I sort of wished there was cg art for jenna too. She is so beautiful. But I understand.
I'm seriously considering trying this game out since the art style looks superb and the story seems like something that's right up my alley. But before I make any decisions I have to ask, are there any NSFW scenes/content? When I say that I mean like sexual or explicit content. Having or not having that kind of stuff isn't going to be my deciding factor but I just want to know exactly what I'm getting myself into. Can anyone please help clear this up?
There is written NSFW content for some routes but I can't remember there being any explicit CGs, has been a while since I last played, however. Not sure if they were used but I remember there being clothless and barely covered sprites in the files too, so they might make an appearance.
Thank you so much to everyone who helped clear this up this question for me. I have only one more question before I try this game, are their any happy/uplifting endings? It just seems like this game is going to be pretty heavy and grim at times and I'm curious if their are any paths one can take that lead to a less then horrifying fate for the character(s).
Just one uplifting ending,. Go for the Ram route. if you new to echo I recommend Carl route first then Leo -> TJ -> Flynn -> Jenna, and don't you dare play TJ or Jenna route first since it will reveal a huge plot!
Something is not right with the latest Android build. Going to be hard to get a screen capture for someone not technically inclined like myself, but I will see what I can do. It keeps crashing during the prologue when I start a new game.
Does anybody have an online link to the song "One Last Kiss"? I found it in the game files and I absolutely love it, even though I have no clue where it shows up ingame, and I would die to be able to listen to it on the go.
I just finished the Carl's route, and I didn't understood the ending, until I saw there are more endings. Is there some like tutorial of how to get into every character's route? I don't have any idea of how to change the routes =/ (just getting into the routes, I know that some routes has 2 endings)
I played Adastra, and yes I cried a lot... Took me a little to get myself ready for another one, base on the comments this one seemed to be worst(in the best way).
So.. before I enter to this new world, may I ask some spoilers? Just maybe some glimpse... So it would be worth it..
if you go down tj's route immediately, prepared to fucking bawl your eyes out if you get overly attached to everyone, though it seems he might be the worst route with how it affects you? i haven't done flynns, nor carls, and i'm not done with jenna, but so far leo and jenna helped me get over tj's route since it. was really powerful. tj's also doesn't paint flynn in the best light, he's an asshole, yes, but the other routes make him look better, yknow
I still haven't played this yet, tho I already downloaded it, and I got it for 2 days straight now.. so, I'm still putting myself back together since I just finished Adastra weeks ago...
I'm still not ready for an another Emotional Rollercoaster Ride....
Okay, as a Person who follow this game before Carl route done, I highly recommend route to play as 1.Carl 2.Leo 3.TJ 4.Flynn 5..Jenna
Why? Because if you jump straight into Jenna route it'll ruin some 'plot'. The important thing is a puzzle and hint has been reveal slowly in each route. Think of it as a CHAPTER.
OH and before you play Jenna route besure that you finished Echo route 65 first! ;)
I'll just say that Echo has no good endings, it has bad endings and bittersweet endings! Even whats considered the best endings really made me sad! I'm actually writing my own endings now!
So let me ask about Adastra, what is it like? Are it's endings sad too? Since it's science fiction I'd normally jump at playing it, but not after echo...
Oh you should really TRY ADASTRA! It may be a little eh... Clichè on some parts but in a BEST WAY, if you really just focus on the story, you will surely cry on the ending.. Also, heed my warning that in the end You'll surely be craving for MORE, literally because Spoiler Alert, in the end the two protagonist eh.. You know what can't tell you, because it will surely ruin the whole plot.
I think the Leo ending is going to bother me for the rest of my life! Like Kudzu is cool and all, and Leo was acting insane, but Chase should have taken a moment to try and reason with him, Leo wouldn't have hurt him! Also I wouldn't have tried jumping on a moving train, hiding in the house would have seemed better!
Yes i am too bothered by Leo's route where he'd gone cray cray like what the hell is happening in that demn town. I really do want to see Chase and Leo together again or at least a Good ending, i don't want to see that " So, are we just going to say goodbye forever?" That just broke my heart ;-;
i see where you're both getting from, but remember that everyone was telling chase not to get together with leo, since he was quite literally obsessed with chase to an extremely unhealthy amount- chase only saw a glimpse of leo being better, and since he would obviously have trust issues, especially from reading his phone (if you chose to do that, im not sure what happens if you don't), and simply being kept away from the group. i think chase did the right thing to agree to not speaking again, otherwise leo would have reverted to his previous state. if he did stay down, and not jump on a moving train, he would have been stuck with leo, and for all they know, could have been targeted because of that. everyone else would have left, and leo would have been free to really do whatever he would want with chase, due to his size.
I don't actually remember the others telling Chase not to get back with Leo!
Yeah Leo had an extreme obsession with Chase, and that truly is bad. But I feel that Leo didn't deserve to be abandoned to the depression he went through. There had to be a way for Chase to send him a message through someone else! He could have told him they weren't good for each other and at lest needed to stay apart for a while. Although getting on the train they only had a moment, Chase really should have followed up and tried not to cause Leo so much pain! Also I really don't think Leo would have hurt Chase. Yeah he was flipping out and obsessed, but under that was real love for Chase.
im not sure who else did (though i do think someone else did), im sure flynn said something about not getting back with leo, or it's a mistake, or something.
as for leo - i don't think chase wanted to, but he had to, for survival. leo didn't deserve to be left, but the group panics for a second once they realize leo didnt make it onto the train, flynn shouting fuck, for example. they didn't want him to be left back, but since leo left, with no one knowing, they didn't have a chance to bring him back. it was a matter of survival for everyone, leo just so happened to have gone through a traumatic episode in the small second, and that trumped his adrenaline to get onto the train.
there should have been a way to contact leo, but then again, we've already seen chase and how he acts when he's in an awkward situation, he becomes silent, as he did with leo when they broke up. he was young, and he uses that excuse frequently, because he knows he doesn't know how to handle it otherwise.
i do agree that chase should have said something else, but i can see why he said it! he was under a lot of pressure, pain, adrenaline and stress. he didn't have time to think, and probably said whatever was first on his mind: yes, i'll stay with you in echo, or no, i've voiced my opinion on echo.
if chase did decide to stay, leo's obsession with him was already getting out of hand, especially with the hysteria the town was going through, leo would have eventually gone to hurt chase, accidentally or 'on purpose' (because of the insanity). normally leo wouldn't, i agree with that, but the many factors along with no one to stop him, leo wouldn't have had anyone to stop him from doing whatever he wants with chase. he 100% had real love for chase, but the obsession would overrule his love.
Yeah, it would be nice if they got back together. But they both had some big issues and never got a chance to work them out!
My thought is that Leo was taken by the hysteria and his problems where greatly exaggerated!
That was truly sad that they might never speak to or see each other again when they where once such good friends! I have real life experience in that the person who was my childhood best friend I have not spoken to in 15 years! I mean if Leo and Chase decided to stay aprt for a while to heal, that would be good. But the possible goodbye forever is just too sad!
(edit; what's the point of downvoting bro it's just letting the authors know there are mistakes that could be fixed :pensive:)
A different comment, definitely needs a grammar check; just between TJ's route and one of Leo's, I've encountered plenty of mistake, such as Kudzu being called 'Kduzu' when at Leo's house with Carl, TJ, Chase and Leo, other chatboxes having improper grammar, such as Kudzu starting with lowercase letters in certain parts (though I can't remember). Some just don't end with periods, which is oddly unsettling, such as Leo saying "How" (i think) when they're at the motel, about to find TJ, Chase saying "Wait, Leo, clint hasn't done anything to us since this started, just--". Flynn also refers to Kudzu as 'Kduzu' when they're going to the train. Unlike every other time (that i've noticed), Chase says 'Oh my god', instead of 'Oh my God' when talking to Leo in the same scene.
Jenna says "I know that sounds bed" instead of bad in her route as well.
Woohoo, Flynn's route time!!
Janice is literally missing her name on her chatbox when Chase and Flynn choose what they're having to eat.
i'm not gonna lie! i read some comments and i brushed it off; i read someone say they wish they had more control over TJ's route, and i now get that completely! i wish i had significantly more control over the ending, and hope in the future that we get good/neutral/bad endings, because tj's really fucked me up! i finished it last night and i've been pretty upset since because i got really attached to him, i wanted to build a good relationship, but then that had to go and happen?? i'm sorry?? please at least give me a happy ending where tj and i get to spend the rest of eternity together consensually PLEASE oh my god i can't STAND the current ending it's so upsetting. i haven't and probably won't complete routes for a few weeks because tj's fucked me over so mentally lmfao, but everyone seems.. so real. they're real people in a game, which not many games can reaaaaally say.
I agree, TJ's route was just really bad! Like I couldn't believe it ends like that!
Yeah, TJ is soo cute and fluffy! But I don't even know how to describe how I feel about that ending! I like your idea of three ending for each of them, that would be good. Leo already has a bad ending and a neutral ending.
I got that feeling too that they all truly seem real, and I felt sad when bad things happen to them.
I was immediately gunning for TJ's route- expecting it to be kinda sad, like he gets physically hurt or something, but nope! Of course, this game isn't meant to be happy-go-lucky, as it gives a warning, but I do hope that they make other endings for everyone! I feel like 1 ending for certain characters isn't satisfying enough, plus it would add a lot more replayability and feel like you're in control rather than choosing one route, and then nothing else matters because you're already on the path to that one ending. I hope they take into consideration this suggestion, likely not, though
Totally agree! A good, bad and neutral ending for all the characters is a great idea! I'll even implement it into my visual novel whenever I get started on it...
Anyway, I wonder if the Echo writers ever see these comments?
To be a truly great author, you should take into account what others think. And I don't see a reason adding happy endings would really change what the story is about! Like Chase and Leo could get back together, but the town is ruined, Chases project is ruined and maybe he won't be friends with one or more of the others anymore? Actually in a "happy" Leo ending I think things won't turn out good for Flynn!
I'm sure they probably receive notifications, but if I had to guess, they don't have many staff members, so it's hard for them to get to the comments? I've seen them comment on one of the comments multiple weeks ago, they're busy people, I'm sure they want to read, but don't have the time. I guess for TJ's Good/Bad/Neutral, Neutral could be just a plain friendzone, or it leaving off with TJ struggling to figure his sexuality out, Chase helping him along. Good could be them getting together and working on the project, taking hikes, etc. and Bad would be his current ending- I haven't completed anyone else's routes, working on Leo's right now, actually, so I can't add onto anyone else's routes.
I'll be done with all the routes in Echo soon, so I was wondering if there's any order to follow to play the other Echo games or can we just play the 3 other gamers in any order? Maybe play The Smoke Room first out of the 3 since it's a prequel?
I just finished playing the Flynn route and have found that there really isn't a lot of talk about it at all. I feel that as a character there is a lot that is left unspoken that should be said, and I have a bit of confusion on the ending, as I saw somewhere that it was finished, but the TBC showed up after it went dark.
That is because that ending leads into the sequel game that takes Flynns route as "canon" i think. "Arches" is about the Bear and Fox couple that Chase meets in this ending and thats why i think it it says TBC. The Echo story itself is finished(except Jenna).
All imma say is my boy Flynn better be ok and or with Chase. I've started one of the Leo routes and I can even tell that he cares about Chase more than the others. I find that Chase probably reminds him of Sydney. Also I feel so bad for Flynn because while Leo and Chase had each other, Flynn was gay and alone, had to lose his best friend, and cover up a murder. He is in so much conflict that I hope he gets some resolution to.
Even though i agree that Flynn is probably one of the guys who care for Chase the most (i would even go as far as to say he probably loved Chase) i don't see a future with him ok. He turned into the Monster of Echo becoming a timeless being. The most i can imagine is Chase and his monster form facing eachother in the sequel and Chase like sacraficing himself to safe the two new main protagonists from his old friend. Also Flynn liked Chase way before Chase was possessed. Flynn did imply he liked Chase alot more when Chase was snarky and had a sharp tongue as a kid. Leo only really started liking Chase after he was possessed so Flynns love is more true to the real Chase.
Flynn's route has the worst ending! So he's domed to forever be all burned and mutalated and wonder through time D: Not to mention Carl and Dax might have seen him transform into the monster, I wonder how mentaly scared they are from that?!
Flynn's route is kinda confusing in how the point of view switches from Chase to Flynn! Although I did like actually seeing Chase in the game, he's so cute! But anyway Flynn's ending was gruesome and tragic and it was hard to tell if he was hallucinating or if all that really happened to him! I hope this isn't the "true" ending as it truly is horrifying what happened to Flynn! Also I don't like how Leo and Chase end up not talking to each other in this one.
Spoiler!
It's implied that Leo actually loved what was possesing Chase and not actually him! Thats just sad.
Yeah.., I guess I was hoping that would get an ending where he and Chase could be happy together because Leo is such a handsome fluffy wolf! Plus it's just far too sad that he cried everyday over Chase! I got the impression that his life is ruined and he might never find love again!
That is an awesome idea! Really, that would be very clever for them to do. Jenna's route starts with you choosing her or Leo, it would be pretty interesting if it ends the same way. Like in her route you get to know her more, but I actually kinda find her annoying! Plus Leo seems really aggressive in her route, maybe thats his way of telling Chase that he's hurt to see him hang out with Jenna? It would make sense if the route goes like this; Chase tells Jenna he's bi and gets together with her in the end. Chase tells Jenna he's gay and gets back with Leo in the end, working out their problems. Thats what bothers me about Leos ending, him and Chase never got time to even try to work out their problems and arguments. They have that one conversation, but it didn't help their relationship. Maybe in Jenna route Chase will see how much Leo is actually hurting?
Just found out about this game and think i did the TJ ending? not sure what considers which ending. Also confused how to even get to each ending, it seems like i made only 3 choices, 2 of which i thought had no impact myself. But i do want to explore the other endings, and for that do i just create a new game? is there anyway that the save files interact with gameplay or if youve done previous runs they interact?
Also i see in a previous comment that there appears to be 6 endings so far with Jenna's being the 7th in the making, but is that for certain?
Excited to go thru the storylines, real interesting game that is making me feel real outta it lol
Also wondering that if the Jenna route isnt completed, how can i avoid delving into it and focus on the other endings (without spoilers)
I don't believe that your existing save files have an effect on other routes. And you do make very few decisions throughout these stories, the lack of control seems to bea big part of Echo.
The routes themselves exist in isolation from each other, so doing the other routes won't give spoilers to Jenna's route (i.e. the situations faced during the TJ route are very different to the ones faced in Carl's route, so you won't get any tj spoilers by doing carls route)
The route you do is determined by your response after Flynn causes a scene and storms off, and some routes have multiple endings while others do not (listed below). You do not need to start a new game if you make a save at this choice since the introductory section remains the same no matter what and the storylines only branch from there, so you can just load that 'choice save' and start a different story. (you may need to make 1 new game to get back to this choice however)
TJ: find TJ (1 ending)
Flynn: Go after Dlynn(1 ending)
Carl: Sit with Carl (multiple endings)
Leo: Follow Jenna and Leo > Go to Leo (multiple endings)
Jenna: Follow Jenna and Leo > Stay with Jenna (no endings yet)
i came here to see who's traumatized by this VN today, LMFAO. Sorry echoproject but I'm not playing your games ever again they gave me depression and anxiety lol, but they're good af don't worry.
I really want to see the whole story though! I'm going to finish all the routes and make my own theories about what happened. Plus my fanfiction with a better Leo ending.
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oh my god. I have to say that this visual novel is one of the best that I have read!!! It’s story and different potential plots keeps me extremely interested! I must say that I did wonder if there is nsfw art in it. But it’s not a big issue. I have to ask about the story though. When the novel is fully complete would you have like a full story of everything? I’d love to figure out if there is like a true ending. Also, your game incorporates a nice choice in the beginning that lets you choose if you are bi or not. Most novels start out with a certain relationship in mind. But I love the choice!! I hope you have a lot of story for Jenna too! I’m so excited for the next update! Keep up the great work!
Only the Jenna route is still in development, the others are basically finished. The creators has said that there won't be a complete/true story, at least not in Echo, since they have plans for a direct sequel (Arches) that follows on from Flynn's route - but they've also said that all the routes are considered canon so I don't know how that will work.
In the meantime you can play The Smoke Room for more information and lore. It gives you quite a lot of details which you can use to piece together the mystery.
Also, you actually don't get to chose being bi or not, not really. If you chose gay, Chase will say that he doesn't feel like explaining his sexuality and that saying anything else confuses people, implying that he is still bi but just chooses not to say it. This is one of the reasons I love Echo so much: unlike most other VNs, you are not Chase, Chase is his own person with his own past and ideals. All you are doing is influencing Chase's decisions, not making them for him.
true I agree. Still. It’s nice to know. But I’ll love to see the story. Like a background etc. I’ll see if I can contact
nope
Someone knows whether echo's ost was made by echoproject or they're originally from other people?
I think it's a mix bc I could find the origins of some songs (i.e. the main theme, Awkward Meeting, Sunrise Without You, This Lingering Hope), but I couldn't find the origins of others (Reckoning, Argument, Crime Slow, Jenna's Theme), and I know some songs are definitely made specifically for the vn (Theme for a Lonely Wolf, When Your Arms Were Around Me)
A lot of it is royalty free music but there are also a number of original tracks, mainly from Abyuse and Moe. Moe also works on the music for Khemia and TSR.
https://anthemics.bandcamp.com/music
https://mobile.twitter.com/moemusician?lang=en
Couldn't find anything for Abyuse though, it seems like they deleted their profiles.
wow thank you very much I didn't even ask for the names of the artists I was more than anything curious bc i heard some song on a random yt video, now this is good hospitality, you're all awesome <3
I finished yesterday to play Leo's route
I wanna cry
It made me cry!
Too sad, I wish if you chose not to look at Leos phone it would change the ending or something...
Same!!
Yeah... I mean I get the meaning behind the ending and such. But really thats so sad! Leo should get another chance!
none options give us the chance to be happy with him :(
Yeah, its pretty sad, but the meaning of the ending is that you have to let go of nostalgia and such..
So i just finished flynns route and... what the hell?? I actually have no idea what the end means and i dont know if anyone has any idea. I mean, i suppose that he dreamwalked to the mine and meanwhile he was having those allucinations but they just seem so nonsense. Is there any theory of what could have happend?
Flynn's route ending, truly is weird!
From what I can tell and what others have said around the internet, I think it goes like this.
Spoiler!
Flynn started hallucinating when him, Carl and Daxton where at the lake, he could no longer see them. He mentions feeling like someone was tugging on his shirt, that was the other two trying to get his attention. He thinks he went to the smoke room, but he really went to the mine. An evil entity posing as Sydney entered his mind and led him into a fire in the mine. He gets all burned up and Carl and Daxton see him! The entity takes him through time where he loses more of his body until he becomes the monster! If you saw the ending image, thats all thats left of Flynn. He became undead under the control of the evil within Echo.
I could be off, but thats how it seemed to me, very tragic...
Whether or not the entity is evil is up to debate. It could also be interpreted as the entity has absorbed Sydney before and now is absorbing Flynn. Why this is the case is not clear. But we do see that Flynn sometimes can make his own decision as the socket monster, so it could be interpreted that the entity needed Flynn to help it protect Jenna and/or oppose the other eviler entities.
Yeah, I don't claim to know for sure. It is really weird and kinda confusing what happens! And yeah I forgot that Flynn still has some control sometimes.
I'm sorry if you need trasnlate this, but my english is a shit.
Este juego hasta donde llevo avanzado, me ha estado gustando mucho, pero también sería genial si agregaran más idiomas como el español, ya que al menos en mi caso puede que no me entere de algunas cosas que puedan ser importantes.
Y hasta ahora me vengo a enterar que es un juego de terror, ya que cuando lo descargué no llegué a ver en la descripción algo referente a ello (fue en una página externa) por lo que ahora, junto con los comentarios que leí, al menos estaré preparado para lo que venga (junto con el traductor de mi teléfono para no perderme tanto).
Me impresiona que este juego esté disponible gratis en tantas plataformas, hasta donde voy actualmente (quién sabe en qué ruta) todo se ve genial y va genial. Solo que en algunos puntos al momento de ingresar al juego se desconfigura la app y se cambia del inglés al chino (creo que eso es) de ahí en fuera no he notado algún otro bug, desde la última vez que lo jugué hace meses.
No creo ni que sabiendo que es un juego de terror estés preparado para lo que te espera... buena suerte xd
Y coincido en que deberían de añadir mas idiomas como el español pues a veces tengo que buscar la traducción de algunas palabras y se rompe la magia, además que el español es uno de los idiomas mas hablado del mundo y por ello me parece que vale la pena, así sería mas conocido.
Fue una bomba lo que se vino santo cielo
Might be a small spoiler or something but,
Chase should've stayed a little longer in the Smoke Room
no :)
um I was confused as to where the smoke room is or what it is o.I I’ve only played jennas and tj routes so far
Does this game have nudity?
No clue, I was gonna ask the same question.
Doesn't have nudity so far, the most I've seen is characters in their underwear. The R18+ is probs less about porn (though there are some written-only sexy times but overall they're few and far between) and more about the darker themes the devs probs feel aren't appropriate for minors:
I don´t think so, even though in the images on the image files of the game are nude sprites, I didn´t saw them in the game (I haven´t played all routes yet, but yeah)
how do you get the image files
(I open it on win.zip)
You open the main folder of the game, click on the folder that says Images. A ton of images will appear, and you can see them, becareful cause some of them has spoilers.
What about Android? :/ There's no stock about the game, so i can't find those pictures.
No.
--- Possible spoiler ---
I would like that in Jenna's route if we say that if we are gay Leo and Chase we would be a couple again, I understand that it is Jenna's route but regardless of everything in my opinion Leo really loves Chase (although somewhat obsessive), so it would be great if they could end up together again on this route or not end in goodbye forever, both ends of Leo's route left me heartbroken.
I want to see that too! It would make sense for that to happen!
Leo's route endings really made me sad! Like I get that he has some big problems, but underneath he's a really great and loving guy! If Chase had been smart and tried to comfort and calm Leo, they could have been together forever!
I wrote my own Leo ending and have it online if you want to read.
*** LEO AND JENNA ROUTE SPOILERS ***
No offense but how can some readers miss the point of Leo's route so badly? It read like a reality check on how dangerous sticking around in toxic relationships, staying with a mentally ill person and not moving on can be. Echo is not a happy dating sim where years' worth of emotional and mental issues can be fixed with love. If you want that, then look elsewhere because you'll get your heart broken again and again.
Understatement of the century! It's not something cute like plain ol' love, Leo has a psychotic obsession. Yes, people want to blame Echo (the town) but both in Leo's and Jenna's route, the game makes it crystal clear that Leo had all those issues (like a laundry list of common abusive/toxic traits) but Echo just amplified them. Leo is bound to stay toxic even if he and Chase left Echo- Leo's dismissive of psychiatric care so forget therapy or couples counseling. Leo has proper mental issues that lurve will not fix, in fact, him clinging on "love" made him worse.
Take it easy man, it was just an opinion and although I agree with you, keep in mind that Leo during his route does not recognize or realize that he has a problem, it is until one of his ends when he realizes that he has that . In Jenna's route is when Leo finally realizes, it is the first step to treat a problem and if there are people with PTSD (which can last up to a lifetime) who have managed to overcome this disease then I do not see why Leo should not . And sorry if my English is bad, it is not my native language.
First of all, your English is not bad at all so don't apologize or worry about it. Second, I'm not intending to sound mad, this is a discussion among fans- I probably sound harsher since you can't hear my tone of voice.
Anyway, it's not that I think Leo can't get better. The problem is Leo doesn't believe in getting help because he's stubborn and proud. Yes, it's true that in Jenna's route, he at least admits his faults and that's important.
You used PTSD as an example. People who learn to manage their PTSD get professional help and at some point admit they need it. While Leo doesn't have PTSD (some people think he's a psychopath but I disagree with that too), he hasn't started with the important step yet and that is admitting his troubled behavior is a problem he can't deal with on his own. Maybe he will, maybe he won't.
I can't see how Leo could ever have a healthy relationship with Chase, given that Chase is the reason Leo went insane. Even if Leo got help, it will never be the same again. Especially in Jenna's route so far, where Chase is developing feelings for Jenna and is now put off by Leo's toxic behavior. Chase doesn't give mixed signals anymore. It's sad but they won't work and forcing them to work is wasting the point Leo's route was trying to make.
Hey there! I have to say that after going through it again and thinking about it, that I do understand Leo's route ending now. I see how Leo has truly series problems and that maybe he and Chase could never be together again. But I still find it sad that Leo has to have all that emotional pain for two years and possibly a lot more! Also the ending made it seem that he would never find someone to love again, and he might never be happy again for a very long time! I get that it showed its best to let go of a toxic relationship, but I actually really liked Leo and it would be nice if he has a happier ending somehow!
Heya! It's understandable, Echo is one of those games you could read through three more times and probably find something new. Like I said before, I understand where the Leo fans are coming from but yes I passionately believe it's for the best that Leo and Chase never end up back together. Plus Echo is not the game to look for happy endings lol. I think us fans having mixed opinions about Leo just shows how well Echo's writers did with him. It's hard to make a guy like him sympathetic but they did it!
I just finished every route for Echo, all of route 65, and all of the current build for The Smoke Room. I can't even keep track of how much time it took, but probably like 35 hours in total. It's really amazing that all this quality content is available for free.
I would highly highly recommend playing Route 65 and The Smoke Room before playing Echo. They made my playthroughs that much more intense. The order I played through everything was Leo -> The Smoke Room -> Route 65 -> Flynn -> Carl -> TJ -> Jenna.
If I were to recommend an order to play it would be: The Smoke Room -> Route 65 -> Carl -> Leo -> Jenna -> TJ -> Flynn
Leo's route was probably the most gut-wrenching. Like I felt sick after finishing it and I couldn't start the next route until a few days later. Which is wonderful for a horror game. Unfortunately, I just was not satisfied with the ending, it felt very quick and I was like, oh, that's it?
Flynn's route had to be hands-down my favorite. The ending just had me in complete constant full-body chills. It was extremely intense. Definitely recommend playing this after all the other routes.
Carl's was pretty good. The most unique of all the routes I'd say. It shares the least amount of story with the other routes, so that's why I recommend it first. I wasn't a fan of Raven though, he just annoyed me whenever he spoke.
TJ's route was the least enjoyable for me, unfortunately. I don't want to be rude, but this one felt kind of unfinished. Or like it was still in the drafting phase. And Julien was like an even more annoying version of Raven lol. Although I really enjoyed how Chase's character evolved and the ending.
Jenna's route is a close second to Flynn's. So many super super creepy moments giving me full-body chills. I was so stunned and creeped out that it started making me emotional, like I was feeling sensory overload or something. It was very intense. This one is filled to the brim with references to Route 65 and TSR.
Anyway, thank you TheEchoProject for making this game and releasing it for free. I really really enjoyed it. I can't wait for the future updates to Echo and TSR!
I'd recommend new players to play TJ's route first though. It only really works if you play it first because (as someone who played it first) all the way through it forces you to think about what kind of horror story it is, whether the voices are real, and the plot twist at the end is very satisfying without being tipped off by the other routes.
I suppose. I think it could go either way. In my playthroughs, I always had this lingering doubt about what really happened. Was it Chase? Was it socketman? Was it a possessed Chase? Was it something entirely different? And it finally gets resolved in TJ's route. But if you play TJ first then you don't have that mystery/suspense factor anymore. But I also understand the shock value of the twist is probably a lot greater if you play his route first.
I'd say that there still is the mystery/suspense factor if you play TJ first. In this case, the question isn't about whether it was Chase who killed Sydney, but it becomes a question of who wrote the letter and treasure hunt. After playing the other routes, we know that multiple monsters exist within Echo and so every time something supernatural happens we, the reader, just blame the monsters. But since they aren't explored in TJ's route, my suspicion bounced around between Carl, Flynn, TJ, and even Chase himself. So it was very surprising to learn that I had failed to consider the possibility of Sydney (as the socket monster) or another monster being the author of the letter. And it made me immediately want to go back and try other choices and routes to see if I can learn more about the monsters.
spoilers for tj's route i guess
...who wrote the letter and treasure hunt?? wasn't it literally revealed that flynn and carl worked on it. chase made the last letter that's found,??
It's never made clear who wrote it, but it definitely wasn't Flynn since Flynn didn't recognize the real final letter when Chase showed it at the lake. Chase only made the fake letter. Therefore I speculate that it's likely created by one of the mysterious Echo entities, which would explain why the letter could look old and is written in Sydney's style but touched on evens after his death.
Thanks for the input! TSR is its own separate thing for the most part, but I agree with your route order selection!
- McSkinny
pleeeese do a reunion in the game adastra
And if there is one planed will it be adastra or the continuation one ?
Hello, i didn't understood very well what happened in Flynn's route, there's is more endings? because there is a lot of options in this route, thanks
afaik there's only one Flynn ending, and the reason it's not clear is because from what I understand they're planning to follow up the route with the next VN in the series called Arches
so, the flynn route may be the real one? like, thinking in history? that's a little sad
well it could also be a zelda situation where you have multiple timelines
LINK CONTAINS SPOILERS: https://www.reddit.com/r/FurryVisualNovels/search?q=echo+flynn&restrict_sr=on&in...
Some users explain stuff pretty well there, including stuff about Flynn. I agree with a lot of it.
I can't seem to find the new art that's included in update 52? the one where chase says "you're asking me to choose" nor the conversation , is it in a future update instead?
I *think* it might be in the Leo route?? Don't quote me on that though.
(Might spoil a bit)
At some point in Flynn's route, you can find a framed picture but you can actually find 3 different ones, does anyone know how to get the second one out of the 3? (second one that appears when you click on the picture in the gallery and then click again). I already have the others.
i only found one! the one at chase old home. How do i find the others?
Depends on if you decide to talk with Dex or Leo, a different one will be there, I tried a few different things to try and get the one I'm missing but I can't find the right thing.
SPOILER:
It depends on whether you have sex with Flynn in the smoke room
Cool! Thanks! I just did it, didn't notice the difference at first but I got the one I was missing.
I played it and it is... Hmm, How can I say this, a bit chilly and nerving, however intriguing. But sadly, I only played it half through, I got some project coming that needs storing and Echo takes up a lot of space so I have to Uninstall it at the meantime.. But I'll download it back soon, in the meantime.. IT IS what they said it is! And I loved it, although I was confused of Leo, a wolf? He is? I kinda thought of him as just a hunky fox or just a plain orange canine.. Anyways, totally worth it and I difinitely recommend this for those who wants their hearts broken.
Leo is a manned wolf. Their native to south America. I never heard of them before playing Echo.
Also yeah, very spooky feeling!
I'm a little embarrassed to ask this but, will there be an option where the character can be "intimate" with Leo?
No
Potential spoiler:
I just finished leo's route in which you tell him "no". Im the only one who cried when you come back to say goodbye... Forever?
Nope, I thought it was so sad and wished there was another option! Since there isn't I made my own fanfic about a third option!
I just finished Echo a few minutes ago after about 6-8 hours of playtime. I kind of have mixed feelings about it, but I'm mostly happy with my experience. I would give my playthrough an 8/10.
I'm seeing in the other comments that every character seems to have their own route, and I haven't even seen half of the screenshots on this page during my playthrough. I played through Leo's route, but I'm excited to try the others!
Positives: The writing is superb as I've come to expect from EchoProject. The spookiness and tension are really effective. It's a real "page-turner". I felt like the characters were all interesting and unique with their own personalities. In VN's, a lot of the time the choices don't really change a whole lot, but in this game, it seems like your choices have a really big impact. The illustrations are incredible. There are parts of my playthrough that made me sick to my stomach, which is really great for a horror story. The music and sound effects are really nicely used. The UI is also really unique and clearly a lot of effort when into it.
Criticisms: I wasn't really "satisfied" with the ending I got, unfortunately. And I felt like there were a lot of questions and interesting things brought up, but that never got answered/resolved. The game being in 480p took some time to get used to. I didn't mind the fact that the backgrounds just seemed to be real photos with a painterly filter on them, but it did take away some of my emersion when the background lighting did not match the time of day as it was described in the text, Leo's bedroom being one of the biggest culprits. Also, like 3/4 into the game, I started seeing a lot of spelling mistakes.
Comparing this to Adastra is not really possible, and I've only done one playthrough of Echo, so my opinion might change later. I'd say in terms of atmosphere, this game is stronger.
trust me... you're gonna love the rest of the routes. if you haven't done route 65, do so BEFORE jenna and flynn's routes !! it's optional for TJ and Carl's, but is really good to have finished before Jenna and TJ's :]
Wait until you try Jenna route ;)
Unfortunately...that’s just how it is with Echo.
POTENTIAL SPOILER:
All routes in the game are either bittersweet or straight up depressing...there are no “true” happy endings. I mean Jenna’s route isn’t finished so who knows?
I feel like Carl's route has one that can almost be called "Happy" but depends on what you consider that
Not really? It’s stated that the only ones who are still friends are Chase, Leo, and Jenna. As the others have stopped talking to each other completely.
Yea but many of the other routes have WAY worse outcomes that this one doesn't
I think Leo is one of the tamer routes. For new players I always recommending starting with TJ's route first. Flynn's route is also very interesting, and a good followup to TJ's route.
What part of getting manipulated, kidnapped, tortured, and (depending on which choice you make) getting your legs ripped off by a speeding train defines Leo’s route being “tame?”
It's because of all of those things that make it tame. Those events make it hard for the reader to relate and therefore the psychological side of the horror is a lot downplayed here. I love Echo because of the psychological horror and unlike the other routes Leo's route is almost regular horror (which don't really scare me at all). It also doesn't involve the Echo mysteries much compared to the other routes, so if you play it first it doesn't give you that itch to replay the other routes to figure out the entire mystery.
This is one hell of a VN, really lingers with you. I noticed some typos in the route I'm playing, if you're interested in going over them. Otherwise, an amazing piece of work!
theres a bunch if typos! i have a long message from about 12 days ago i think with only some that I found lol
They reached their goal on Patreon to hire an editor, so I'll leave that up to them. Whatever little quirks I noticed didn't distract from an amazing story, and I still have most of the branches left to go.
Wait....If I kill Flynn in TJs route what will that be?
Spoiler?
Jus t do it..
God.. I still haven't played this game yet and it's been a week since.. But don't worry, I have intentions of playing it soon.. The only problem with me is that, I still can't move on from ADASTRA!
can someone help TwT. I am desperate to cure my illness.
Quick question, does this game have LGBTQ+ characters/romances? Just to be clear I am not asking because I would have an issue if it does, I actually am hoping that it has some of these since I enjoy the inclusivity.
Most of the romances in the game are m/m, with the exception of Jenna's route which is m/f
There is an option to determined Jenna as lover or just gay bestfriend. (Choose 'I'm gay' when she asked)
in the tags it says queer, yaoi and gay !! other than jenna's route, all of the routes you can go down are mlm :)
i'm quite intrigued - why do carl, leo and tj have nude sprites in the files?
more specifically, why does carl have a ton??
I just went through Leo's route again, and even though I understand the ending better and the point and moral of it... I can't help it, just too sad!
(spoiler)
I know Leo was being a total jerk by lying to everyone and manipulating Chase, but in the epilogue he's been so hurt and crying everyday for almost two years! He has no plans or ambitions, he's just living. It seems the reason he wasn't suicidal was because he hopes Chase might visit him someday. Like I get that his obsession was not healthy and led him to become dangerous but it seems like he could never find love again and will carry deep grief and depression for many years if not the rest of his life! Also even though Chase says he will visit again, it's very unlikely as he's moving like across the country! When my childhood friend moved just fifty miles away, I was never able to visit him! I get what the ending means and the point of it, but it's so sad that I'm writing Leo ending c and do intend to try pitching it to Echo project if I am satisfied with how it turns out! Given how lonely my life is, if someone I was attracted to became obsessed with me it would a be truly strong temptation to just go with it!
Jenna is awesomeeee. XD Your stories are truly breathtaking! I love Aedestra. Wish there could be a sequel. You really know how to make it great. I love the story and the plot. It really is so good that good stories are continuing! I sort of wished there was cg art for jenna too. She is so beautiful. But I understand.
echo project pleASE what is chase's eye colour???
cgs make it look brown, his sprite is red, and flynn says his eyes are yellow??
This confused me too. I reread that part a few times before just thinking "whatever, maybe it's a mistake."
chase has brown, red, orange and yellow eyes
flynn also has changing eyes! blue in some cgs, green in his sprite
It's kinda odd.
Remember, the eye colour can change depends the light intensity
Good explanation.
good point, but.. how does it become red, orange, yellow and brown?
I'm seriously considering trying this game out since the art style looks superb and the story seems like something that's right up my alley. But before I make any decisions I have to ask, are there any NSFW scenes/content? When I say that I mean like sexual or explicit content. Having or not having that kind of stuff isn't going to be my deciding factor but I just want to know exactly what I'm getting myself into. Can anyone please help clear this up?
There is written NSFW content for some routes but I can't remember there being any explicit CGs, has been a while since I last played, however. Not sure if they were used but I remember there being clothless and barely covered sprites in the files too, so they might make an appearance.
chase has sprites that are only in his boxers, others have shirtless sprites, sex and masturbation is in the writing, but that's about it
Thank you so much to everyone who helped clear this up this question for me. I have only one more question before I try this game, are their any happy/uplifting endings? It just seems like this game is going to be pretty heavy and grim at times and I'm curious if their are any paths one can take that lead to a less then horrifying fate for the character(s).
Just one uplifting ending,. Go for the Ram route. if you new to echo I recommend Carl route first then Leo -> TJ -> Flynn -> Jenna, and don't you dare play TJ or Jenna route first since it will reveal a huge plot!
in my opinion, it depends on who you get attached to.
if you're immediately attached to tj, go for him first because his hurt the most for me.
don't go for flynn first, leave him and jenna for last (and play Route 65 before going through their routes).
Something is not right with the latest Android build. Going to be hard to get a screen capture for someone not technically inclined like myself, but I will see what I can do. It keeps crashing during the prologue when I start a new game.
Does anybody have an online link to the song "One Last Kiss"? I found it in the game files and I absolutely love it, even though I have no clue where it shows up ingame, and I would die to be able to listen to it on the go.
I just finished the Carl's route, and I didn't understood the ending, until I saw there are more endings. Is there some like tutorial of how to get into every character's route? I don't have any idea of how to change the routes =/ (just getting into the routes, I know that some routes has 2 endings)
Thanks ^^ ♡♡
HELP I'M ALSO A CHASE KINNIE I'M LOSING MY MIND /POS
Sure 😳
OP it's ok I won't judge you bc I am in solidarity with kinning the psychological mess known as Chase Hunter
I played Adastra, and yes I cried a lot... Took me a little to get myself ready for another one, base on the comments this one seemed to be worst(in the best way).
So.. before I enter to this new world, may I ask some spoilers? Just maybe some glimpse... So it would be worth it..
spoilers, obviously
if you go down tj's route immediately, prepared to fucking bawl your eyes out if you get overly attached to everyone, though it seems he might be the worst route with how it affects you? i haven't done flynns, nor carls, and i'm not done with jenna, but so far leo and jenna helped me get over tj's route since it. was really powerful. tj's also doesn't paint flynn in the best light, he's an asshole, yes, but the other routes make him look better, yknow
base on what they are saying. He dies?
nah, no one dies
Oh.. Well that's a relief.. So, just got abandoned? Or what?
hehe, that's for you to find out
Did it take you to a different site?
I still haven't played this yet, tho I already downloaded it, and I got it for 2 days straight now.. so, I'm still putting myself back together since I just finished Adastra weeks ago...
I'm still not ready for an another Emotional Rollercoaster Ride....
Okay, as a Person who follow this game before Carl route done, I highly recommend route to play as 1.Carl 2.Leo 3.TJ 4.Flynn 5..Jenna
Why? Because if you jump straight into Jenna route it'll ruin some 'plot'. The important thing is a puzzle and hint has been reveal slowly in each route. Think of it as a CHAPTER.
OH and before you play Jenna route besure that you finished Echo route 65 first! ;)
Sure! Thank you for the suggestion. I surely look it up 😊
i agree! i finished leo's and then went to route 65 and there is so much route 65 references to it and a whole ass scene, word for word from route 65
I'll just say that Echo has no good endings, it has bad endings and bittersweet endings! Even whats considered the best endings really made me sad! I'm actually writing my own endings now!
So let me ask about Adastra, what is it like? Are it's endings sad too? Since it's science fiction I'd normally jump at playing it, but not after echo...
Oh you should really TRY ADASTRA! It may be a little eh... Clichè on some parts but in a BEST WAY, if you really just focus on the story, you will surely cry on the ending.. Also, heed my warning that in the end You'll surely be craving for MORE, literally because Spoiler Alert, in the end the two protagonist eh.. You know what can't tell you, because it will surely ruin the whole plot.
Lol! Alright I will do so then!
Going to play the smoke room update first though.
I just cried from Leo's ending demn like T_T ... *Still crying* this just hit me real hard ;-;
I think the Leo ending is going to bother me for the rest of my life! Like Kudzu is cool and all, and Leo was acting insane, but Chase should have taken a moment to try and reason with him, Leo wouldn't have hurt him! Also I wouldn't have tried jumping on a moving train, hiding in the house would have seemed better!
Yes i am too bothered by Leo's route where he'd gone cray cray like what the hell is happening in that demn town. I really do want to see Chase and Leo together again or at least a Good ending, i don't want to see that " So, are we just going to say goodbye forever?" That just broke my heart ;-;
i see where you're both getting from, but remember that everyone was telling chase not to get together with leo, since he was quite literally obsessed with chase to an extremely unhealthy amount- chase only saw a glimpse of leo being better, and since he would obviously have trust issues, especially from reading his phone (if you chose to do that, im not sure what happens if you don't), and simply being kept away from the group. i think chase did the right thing to agree to not speaking again, otherwise leo would have reverted to his previous state. if he did stay down, and not jump on a moving train, he would have been stuck with leo, and for all they know, could have been targeted because of that. everyone else would have left, and leo would have been free to really do whatever he would want with chase, due to his size.
I don't actually remember the others telling Chase not to get back with Leo!
Yeah Leo had an extreme obsession with Chase, and that truly is bad. But I feel that Leo didn't deserve to be abandoned to the depression he went through. There had to be a way for Chase to send him a message through someone else! He could have told him they weren't good for each other and at lest needed to stay apart for a while. Although getting on the train they only had a moment, Chase really should have followed up and tried not to cause Leo so much pain! Also I really don't think Leo would have hurt Chase. Yeah he was flipping out and obsessed, but under that was real love for Chase.
im not sure who else did (though i do think someone else did), im sure flynn said something about not getting back with leo, or it's a mistake, or something.
as for leo - i don't think chase wanted to, but he had to, for survival. leo didn't deserve to be left, but the group panics for a second once they realize leo didnt make it onto the train, flynn shouting fuck, for example. they didn't want him to be left back, but since leo left, with no one knowing, they didn't have a chance to bring him back. it was a matter of survival for everyone, leo just so happened to have gone through a traumatic episode in the small second, and that trumped his adrenaline to get onto the train.
there should have been a way to contact leo, but then again, we've already seen chase and how he acts when he's in an awkward situation, he becomes silent, as he did with leo when they broke up. he was young, and he uses that excuse frequently, because he knows he doesn't know how to handle it otherwise.
i do agree that chase should have said something else, but i can see why he said it! he was under a lot of pressure, pain, adrenaline and stress. he didn't have time to think, and probably said whatever was first on his mind: yes, i'll stay with you in echo, or no, i've voiced my opinion on echo.
if chase did decide to stay, leo's obsession with him was already getting out of hand, especially with the hysteria the town was going through, leo would have eventually gone to hurt chase, accidentally or 'on purpose' (because of the insanity). normally leo wouldn't, i agree with that, but the many factors along with no one to stop him, leo wouldn't have had anyone to stop him from doing whatever he wants with chase. he 100% had real love for chase, but the obsession would overrule his love.
Yeah, it would be nice if they got back together. But they both had some big issues and never got a chance to work them out!
My thought is that Leo was taken by the hysteria and his problems where greatly exaggerated!
That was truly sad that they might never speak to or see each other again when they where once such good friends! I have real life experience in that the person who was my childhood best friend I have not spoken to in 15 years! I mean if Leo and Chase decided to stay aprt for a while to heal, that would be good. But the possible goodbye forever is just too sad!
Is it supposed to send me to a different site?
??? as far as im aware, there shouldn't be anything that sends you to a different site ...
Oof it took me to a different site I decided to download it anyways probably gonna get a virus
i'd um. get that checked haha
I mean I have the game nothing wrong with it my phone isn't lagging I think I'm the clear
it takes me to media fire I think I'm good
(SPOILERS: LEO'S ROUTE)
(edit; what's the point of downvoting bro it's just letting the authors know there are mistakes that could be fixed :pensive:)
A different comment, definitely needs a grammar check; just between TJ's route and one of Leo's, I've encountered plenty of mistake, such as Kudzu being called 'Kduzu' when at Leo's house with Carl, TJ, Chase and Leo, other chatboxes having improper grammar, such as Kudzu starting with lowercase letters in certain parts (though I can't remember). Some just don't end with periods, which is oddly unsettling, such as Leo saying "How" (i think) when they're at the motel, about to find TJ, Chase saying "Wait, Leo, clint hasn't done anything to us since this started, just--". Flynn also refers to Kudzu as 'Kduzu' when they're going to the train. Unlike every other time (that i've noticed), Chase says 'Oh my god', instead of 'Oh my God' when talking to Leo in the same scene.
Jenna says "I know that sounds bed" instead of bad in her route as well.
Woohoo, Flynn's route time!!
Janice is literally missing her name on her chatbox when Chase and Flynn choose what they're having to eat.
"Habistat", huh, Flynn?
when chase wakes up in Jenna's route, he says 'whinging'.
when talking to jenna about yaoi and bara, he says 'i cant turn my head curiously towards her.'
I noticed a couple of those too. As a writer myself I've found I make the same kind of mistakes and also spellchecker doesn't always work!
of course! people playing it and pointing it out is definitely for the best, though
Yeah, it's good.
i'm not gonna lie! i read some comments and i brushed it off; i read someone say they wish they had more control over TJ's route, and i now get that completely! i wish i had significantly more control over the ending, and hope in the future that we get good/neutral/bad endings, because tj's really fucked me up! i finished it last night and i've been pretty upset since because i got really attached to him, i wanted to build a good relationship, but then that had to go and happen?? i'm sorry?? please at least give me a happy ending where tj and i get to spend the rest of eternity together consensually PLEASE oh my god i can't STAND the current ending it's so upsetting. i haven't and probably won't complete routes for a few weeks because tj's fucked me over so mentally lmfao, but everyone seems.. so real. they're real people in a game, which not many games can reaaaaally say.
I agree, TJ's route was just really bad! Like I couldn't believe it ends like that!
Yeah, TJ is soo cute and fluffy! But I don't even know how to describe how I feel about that ending! I like your idea of three ending for each of them, that would be good. Leo already has a bad ending and a neutral ending.
I got that feeling too that they all truly seem real, and I felt sad when bad things happen to them.
I was immediately gunning for TJ's route- expecting it to be kinda sad, like he gets physically hurt or something, but nope! Of course, this game isn't meant to be happy-go-lucky, as it gives a warning, but I do hope that they make other endings for everyone! I feel like 1 ending for certain characters isn't satisfying enough, plus it would add a lot more replayability and feel like you're in control rather than choosing one route, and then nothing else matters because you're already on the path to that one ending. I hope they take into consideration this suggestion, likely not, though
Totally agree! A good, bad and neutral ending for all the characters is a great idea! I'll even implement it into my visual novel whenever I get started on it...
Anyway, I wonder if the Echo writers ever see these comments?
To be a truly great author, you should take into account what others think. And I don't see a reason adding happy endings would really change what the story is about! Like Chase and Leo could get back together, but the town is ruined, Chases project is ruined and maybe he won't be friends with one or more of the others anymore? Actually in a "happy" Leo ending I think things won't turn out good for Flynn!
I'm sure they probably receive notifications, but if I had to guess, they don't have many staff members, so it's hard for them to get to the comments? I've seen them comment on one of the comments multiple weeks ago, they're busy people, I'm sure they want to read, but don't have the time. I guess for TJ's Good/Bad/Neutral, Neutral could be just a plain friendzone, or it leaving off with TJ struggling to figure his sexuality out, Chase helping him along. Good could be them getting together and working on the project, taking hikes, etc. and Bad would be his current ending- I haven't completed anyone else's routes, working on Leo's right now, actually, so I can't add onto anyone else's routes.
Yeah, makes sense their busy. Interesting ideas for good and neutral routes.
Oh, I see. When your down with leos route, you can read my fanfic about an alternate way it ends.
I'll be done with all the routes in Echo soon, so I was wondering if there's any order to follow to play the other Echo games or can we just play the 3 other gamers in any order? Maybe play The Smoke Room first out of the 3 since it's a prequel?
The smoke room first and then route 65.
SPOILERS:
I just finished playing the Flynn route and have found that there really isn't a lot of talk about it at all. I feel that as a character there is a lot that is left unspoken that should be said, and I have a bit of confusion on the ending, as I saw somewhere that it was finished, but the TBC showed up after it went dark.
SPOILER FOR FLYNN ENDING!
That is because that ending leads into the sequel game that takes Flynns route as "canon" i think. "Arches" is about the Bear and Fox couple that Chase meets in this ending and thats why i think it it says TBC. The Echo story itself is finished(except Jenna).
All imma say is my boy Flynn better be ok and or with Chase. I've started one of the Leo routes and I can even tell that he cares about Chase more than the others. I find that Chase probably reminds him of Sydney. Also I feel so bad for Flynn because while Leo and Chase had each other, Flynn was gay and alone, had to lose his best friend, and cover up a murder. He is in so much conflict that I hope he gets some resolution to.
Even though i agree that Flynn is probably one of the guys who care for Chase the most (i would even go as far as to say he probably loved Chase) i don't see a future with him ok. He turned into the Monster of Echo becoming a timeless being. The most i can imagine is Chase and his monster form facing eachother in the sequel and Chase like sacraficing himself to safe the two new main protagonists from his old friend. Also Flynn liked Chase way before Chase was possessed. Flynn did imply he liked Chase alot more when Chase was snarky and had a sharp tongue as a kid. Leo only really started liking Chase after he was possessed so Flynns love is more true to the real Chase.
So is it confirmed(ish) that flynn does become the monster? I guess part of me was hoping it was hysteria and he just isn't mentioned afterward
Flynn's route has the worst ending! So he's domed to forever be all burned and mutalated and wonder through time D: Not to mention Carl and Dax might have seen him transform into the monster, I wonder how mentaly scared they are from that?!
Flynn's route is kinda confusing in how the point of view switches from Chase to Flynn! Although I did like actually seeing Chase in the game, he's so cute! But anyway Flynn's ending was gruesome and tragic and it was hard to tell if he was hallucinating or if all that really happened to him! I hope this isn't the "true" ending as it truly is horrifying what happened to Flynn! Also I don't like how Leo and Chase end up not talking to each other in this one.
Spoiler!
It's implied that Leo actually loved what was possesing Chase and not actually him! Thats just sad.
Leo seems to love what possesses himself.
Spoiler!
Not that whore cougar ghost.;) But yes, it's still sad.
Yeah.., I guess I was hoping that would get an ending where he and Chase could be happy together because Leo is such a handsome fluffy wolf! Plus it's just far too sad that he cried everyday over Chase! I got the impression that his life is ruined and he might never find love again!
Hope the Echo Project would give Leo and Chance a good ending in Jenna's route. Probably let the player choose between Leo and Jenna.
That is an awesome idea! Really, that would be very clever for them to do. Jenna's route starts with you choosing her or Leo, it would be pretty interesting if it ends the same way. Like in her route you get to know her more, but I actually kinda find her annoying! Plus Leo seems really aggressive in her route, maybe thats his way of telling Chase that he's hurt to see him hang out with Jenna? It would make sense if the route goes like this; Chase tells Jenna he's bi and gets together with her in the end. Chase tells Jenna he's gay and gets back with Leo in the end, working out their problems. Thats what bothers me about Leos ending, him and Chase never got time to even try to work out their problems and arguments. They have that one conversation, but it didn't help their relationship. Maybe in Jenna route Chase will see how much Leo is actually hurting?
Just found out about this game and think i did the TJ ending? not sure what considers which ending. Also confused how to even get to each ending, it seems like i made only 3 choices, 2 of which i thought had no impact myself. But i do want to explore the other endings, and for that do i just create a new game? is there anyway that the save files interact with gameplay or if youve done previous runs they interact?
Also i see in a previous comment that there appears to be 6 endings so far with Jenna's being the 7th in the making, but is that for certain?
Excited to go thru the storylines, real interesting game that is making me feel real outta it lol
Also wondering that if the Jenna route isnt completed, how can i avoid delving into it and focus on the other endings (without spoilers)
I don't believe that your existing save files have an effect on other routes. And you do make very few decisions throughout these stories, the lack of control seems to bea big part of Echo.
The routes themselves exist in isolation from each other, so doing the other routes won't give spoilers to Jenna's route (i.e. the situations faced during the TJ route are very different to the ones faced in Carl's route, so you won't get any tj spoilers by doing carls route)
The route you do is determined by your response after Flynn causes a scene and storms off, and some routes have multiple endings while others do not (listed below). You do not need to start a new game if you make a save at this choice since the introductory section remains the same no matter what and the storylines only branch from there, so you can just load that 'choice save' and start a different story. (you may need to make 1 new game to get back to this choice however)
TJ: find TJ (1 ending)
Flynn: Go after Dlynn(1 ending)
Carl: Sit with Carl (multiple endings)
Leo: Follow Jenna and Leo > Go to Leo (multiple endings)
Jenna: Follow Jenna and Leo > Stay with Jenna (no endings yet)
Just curious how many endings are there? like multiple endings per character.
the first round was TJ. I wish I could change this ending. At least have more control.
Some characters have two endings, some have one. I could be wrong but here is what I found. TJ has one, Carl has two, Leo has two, Flynn has one.
Jenna's route is not finished yet, so no endings!
I believe Jenna's is planned to have two endings
Alright then, interesting.
i came here to see who's traumatized by this VN today, LMFAO. Sorry echoproject but I'm not playing your games ever again they gave me depression and anxiety lol, but they're good af don't worry.
I'm not really traumatized, just got hit really hard by the "goodbye forever" endings as it happened to me in real life with my old friends!
You know, I think we should consider the possibility that the story is cursed. Like those Japanese ring movies from some years back.
Oh great! Just wonderful...
Heh..
I really want to see the whole story though! I'm going to finish all the routes and make my own theories about what happened. Plus my fanfiction with a better Leo ending.
Man Adastra and This just killed me